Cam Timming Help 02 Passat 2.8 V6

[Pyrosk]

Hi guys...

Long story short... My thermostat housing started leaking and the timing belt and water pump was done by last owner.

I was able to remove the top belt cover, fan belt, fan belt tensioner, lower TB cover and could see the TS housing and the obvious water leak. Now I didnt want to remove the TB or go into service position or rip half the car apart and I also didnt have the Crank TDC locking pin or the cam brace to hole the cams from moving....

There was no way to get it out so I thought Id move the TB half way off the TB tensioner pully and cam sprocket.. So after removing some tension on the TB slowly... I was able to slide the belt off enough to pull the housing... Great, BUT. I have a feeling the cam slipped a tooth or two on the belt putting the tension back on...

So thats where Im at... I now have to wait till monday for vw to get my new housing and trying to research how I can check the timing.. Im kicking myself for not marking it in the worst case scenario that it script a tooth like it has

So do I leave it as it is till I get the new TS housing in and done then I was thinking of turning the Crank to TDC mark making sure cylinder 3 is TDC then pull the rocker cover gasket off the side that moved (drivers side) and see if the marks on the cam lines up... Im sure it will either be advanced or retarded slightly... So id remove some tension on the TB again and with a assistant use cam spanner to turn the cam a tooth either to where it should be...

Is this going to work for me.. Or should I pull both top cam covers... get the dam lockin pin and see if the clamp fits on both cams and if not **** the one I thought that moved...

I donno need advice.

Cheers

[h100vw]

Getting it wrong will be heaps more expensive than doknh it right. I'd buy the locking tool to be sure. Under a hundred on eBay I think. The diamond plates on the cams have a big hole and a little one. The big ones should face each other at tdc.

[Umai Naa!!]

Oh wow.

Been a long time since I've done one of these. They're not the easiest belt to do. Definitely helps to lock the crank and cams.

[Transporter]

Hi guys...

Long story short... My thermostat housing started leaking and the timing belt and water pump was done by last owner.

I was able to remove the top belt cover, fan belt, fan belt tensioner, lower TB cover and could see the TS housing and the obvious water leak. Now I didnt want to remove the TB or go into service position or rip half the car apart and I also didnt have the Crank TDC locking pin or the cam brace to hole the cams from moving....

There was no way to get it out so I thought Id move the TB half way off the TB tensioner pully and cam sprocket.. So after removing some tension on the TB slowly... I was able to slide the belt off enough to pull the housing... Great, BUT. I have a feeling the cam slipped a tooth or two on the belt putting the tension back on...

So thats where Im at... I now have to wait till monday for vw to get my new housing and trying to research how I can check the timing.. Im kicking myself for not marking it in the worst case scenario that it script a tooth like it has

So do I leave it as it is till I get the new TS housing in and done then I was thinking of turning the Crank to TDC mark making sure cylinder 3 is TDC then pull the rocker cover gasket off the side that moved (drivers side) and see if the marks on the cam lines up... Im sure it will either be advanced or retarded slightly... So id remove some tension on the TB again and with a assistant use cam spanner to turn the cam a tooth either to where it should be...

Is this going to work for me.. Or should I pull both top cam covers... get the dam lockin pin and see if the clamp fits on both cams and if not **** the one I thought that moved...

I donno need advice.

Cheers

Have you done timing belt in any other cars before? If not, the safest option for you, is to call your local mechanic.

[Pyrosk]

Have you done timing belt in any other cars before? If not, the safest option for you, is to call your local mechanic.

Thanks for the replies guys.. forgot to say I own my own shop, so def not the first TB ive changed. Just never on a 02 passat with the 2.8. and I dont want to change it. Im able to change the TS housing without removing the belt completely by sliding it on the gears half way...

Just wondering if there is a procedure to check the timing on the cams to crank at TDC.

Apparently on cylinder 3 TDC the big holes in the cam dimond need to be facing inwards towards each other. If anything it would of shifted a tooth one way... just not sure which hence why Ill turn the engine around by hand slowly till TDC and then make sure cams are in the right spot.

Is there any other marks other then those dimonds? If thats the case Ill have to make up a tool in the shop monday. Anyone got any cad drawing or anything?

I was told there is a timing mark on the cam chain sprockets that when crank at TDC these lines should like up.

Just want to check guys... not looking at pulling the front of the car to redo the hole belt

[Umai Naa!!]

You can pull the front forward about 300mm, and tilt it forward. Doesn't sound like much, but it helps a lot.

When I did one, the crank was locked with the pin through the side of the block, and the brace across the cams. One thing I've learnt over the years with VWs is never trust what you think are marks, and always time it up before you disassemble it. Half the time, the can gears aren't keyed to the cams.

[Pyrosk]

You can pull the front forward about 300mm, and tilt it forward. Doesn't sound like much, but it helps a lot.

When I did one, the crank was locked with the pin through the side of the block, and the brace across the cams. One thing I've learnt over the years with VWs is never trust what you think are marks, and always time it up before you disassemble it. Half the time, the can gears aren't keyed to the cams.

Yeh I no but lucky I didnt have to... put the engine in TDC and made myself a cam lockin bar to line the cams up... It had moved 2 teeth and valves still didnt interfere turning the motor to TDC by hand... Anyway after using the tool at TDC its obvious if the cam is out a tooth compared to the other... So could of really done it without... but anyway something to had to the tool box.

next problem...

Driving around perfect.... restart perfect... randomly starts misfiring.... if I unplug plug 3 from coil runs good again when I put it back... VERY VERY Weird.

Going to load up Vag com and get the codes now.

[Wartai]

How did you go with the misfiring ? Did you sort that out ?

[Pyrosk]

How did you go with the misfiring ? Did you sort that out ?

Well I thought I had it sorted... After doing the transmission service and sorting the TS housing out and then the cam timing after slipping the belt off to do the TS housing.

Cleared all codes with Vag com and took her for a drive... I have to say I was very impressed with the results the transmission shifts normally and there is no surging under load in top gear under light thottle... The wife has been driving it to work the last few days with not a hint of misfire.

I drove around with in it this afternoon and pull up to a intersection and guess what.... misfire.. (car shakes, down two cylinders) I couldnt believe it.

So drove off with the misfire (hard to accelerate etc) then all of a sudden misfire gone.... and runs beautifully all the way home.

Soooo get the vag com out and did a full scan..


VAG-COM Version: Release 409.1-S


Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,35,36,37,46,55,56,57,58,76

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Address 01: Engine
Controller: 3B0 907 551 CJ
Component: 2.8L V6/5V G 0001
Coding: 04551
Shop #: WSC 05311
WVWZZZ3BZ1E259619 VWZ7Z0A3623402
9 Faults Found:
17748 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40) / Engine Speed Sensor (G2: Incor. Correlation
P1340 - 35-00 - -
16514 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Malfunction in Circuit
P0130 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16534 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B2 S1: Malfunction in Circuit
P0150 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
18057 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
P1649 - 35-00 - -
16684 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16685 - Cylinder 1 Misfire Detected
P0301 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16690 - Cylinder 6 Misfire Detected
P0306 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17801 - Ignition Coil Power Output 1: Electrical Malfunction
P1393 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17803 - Ignition Coil Power Output 3: Electrical Malfunction
P1395 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans
Controller: 8D0 927 156 DJ
Component: AG5 01V 2.8l5V RdW 1111
Coding: 00133
Shop #: WSC 05311
No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC
Controller: 3B2 907 044 J
Component: CLIMATRONIC B5GP 0002
Coding: 17000
Shop #: WSC 05311
3 Faults Found:
00792 - A/C Pressure Switch (F129)
35-00 - -
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
37-00 - Faulty
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes

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Skipping Address 15-Airbags

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Address 17: Instruments
Controller: 3B0 920 825
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V13
Coding: 07725
Shop #: WSC 12345
WVWZZZ3BZ1E259619 VWZ7Z0A3623402
2 Faults Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-00 - Open or Short to B+
01316 - ABS Control Module
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 19: CAN Gateway
Controller: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 05314
2 Faults Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
49-00 - No Communications
01320 - Control Module for Climatronic (J255)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv.
Controller: 1C0 959 799 B
Component: 0F Komfortgerát HLO 0001
Coding: 00259
Shop #: WSC 05311
2 Faults Found:
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
00929 - Locking Module for Central Locking: Front Passenger Side (F221)
27-00 - Implausible Signal

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Looks like Im a tooth out still on the cam even tho the car runs and drives beautifully. But this code wasnt there before doing the TS Housing and slipping the belt off.

The random misfires i think is either the coils or module playing up?

Any ideas people.

Also just purchased a 2010 a3 1.8 tfsi with guess what broken timing chain tentioner... oh the fun continues

[Pyrosk]

By the off chance is there anyone with a 2.8 passat working coil module?

Oh and the abs module was disconnected... has been playing up with vag com.

There is a small wire inside I need thats broken its connection... I will re solder once I sort this random misfire out..

[Pyrosk]

Ordered a new Coil pack module etc... see how it goes.

[Wartai]

Ordered a new Coil pack module etc... see how it goes.

I just hope it solves the problem, best of luck on that..
I know parts arent cheap for VW's, it was bad enough for me just getting a fuel filter for our Polo, $67 (built in regulator) where my Ford it was like $10
Sourcing parts online ?