Too good a deal for 125Kw TDI?? 2008 $29000??? 60k

[anthony]

Take the safe option,and find a good used Honda Accord Euro for 29000...

[mebius9]

Take the safe option,and find a good used Honda Accord Euro for 29000...

Jesus...
Is this what everyone is like on this forum?

All I did is this:
It was time for a new car and I liked Passat
Started searching for feedback on the car and research.
I saw forum threads with people having issues with DSG (it's true I'm not lying or dreaming google it...)
Obviously as a normal sane human being it started to worry me... isn't that what normal people do? worry about things and stuff?
So I simply expressed my concern and
Meverick, Rockt36 and anthony flies in from nowhere basically telling me to F@#k off and buy something else...

Is this how everyone from this forum react?
I can't even express what I think based on my observation?
What are you guys Nazis?

[Maverick]

Jesus...
Is this what everyone is like on this forum?

All I did is this:
It was time for a new car and I liked Passat

Where did you say you liked the Passat? You have done nothing but criticise Volkswagen, the Passat and the DSG since you joined.

Started searching for feedback on the car and research.
I saw forum threads with people having issues with DSG (it's true I'm not lying or dreaming google it...)
Obviously as a normal sane human being it started to worry me... isn't that what normal people do? worry about things and stuff?

No, they don't worry about things that will most likely never occur. There's a medical condition for doing that and it's treatable.

You've done nothing but carry on about the DSG since you joined.

So I simply expressed my concern and
Meverick, Rockt36 and anthony flies in from nowhere basically telling me to F@#k off and buy something else...

Is this what people from this forum is like?!
I can't even express what I think based on my observation?
What are you guys Nazis?

This is a forum of enthusiasts who love their cars, when you come wading on in and throw your misinformed comments around having a go at the car and the brand for no reason what do you think is going to occur?

Seriously get your deposit back, buy another brand and save us all from hearing it over and over again.

[mebius9]

Where did you say you liked the Passat? You have done nothing but criticise Volkswagen, the Passat and the DSG since you joined.

Why the hell do you think I'm putting a deposit on the car that I hate?
I love the car it's got the best interior ever, world class economy, transmission that shifts faster then Ferrari Enzo or F1, classy design and good handling.

You guys are being overly defensive about the car to the point of insanity.

No, they don't worry about things that will most likely never occur. There's a medical condition for doing that and it's treatable.

Personal attack again geez...

You've done nothing but carry on about the DSG since you joined.

Well I never had a chance to say good things about it thanks to you and that Rocket36 guy.

This is a forum of enthusiasts who love their cars, when you come wading on in and throw your misinformed comments around having a go at the car and the brand for no reason what do you think is going to occur?

I simply state the following three FACTS and you went ape s@#t

1. There has been case of DSG fault which was reported on the forum
2. VW came 3rd from bottom in the reliability survey
3. Aussies get inferior warranty compare to yanks

True or False? answer me those before you start another personal attack like a troll.

Seriously get your deposit back, buy another brand and save us all from hearing it over and over again.

As if.

[G-rig]

If you're worried about DSG then buy manual.. Otherwise you have full warranty for 3 years, which you can extend to 5 years which may not be a bad idea if keeping the car.

It's been said before that these so called 'reliability' items are not your typical faults, it could be people being fussy/particular as most owners are and could be reporting quite trivial things. Not sure what the survey includes but there are really no major faults with these cars.

[Maverick]

Why the hell do you think I'm putting a deposit on the car that I hate?
I love the car it's got the best interior ever, world class economy, transmission that shifts faster then Ferrari Enzo or F1, classy design and good handling.

You guys are being overly defensive about the car to the point of insanity.

We're just sick of your complaining, that's all. Surely you can find another site to complain about on.

Well I never had a chance to say good things about it thanks to you and that Rocket36 guy.

It's almost like you're buying the car because you want the mechatronics unit to fail so you can complain

I simply state the following three FACTS and you went ape s@#t

1. There has been case of DSG fault which was reported on the forum
2. VW came 3rd from bottom in the reliability survey
3. Aussies get inferior warranty compare to yanks

1. Every car has faults.
2. FFS get over it, the reliability survey means nothing. Take 5 minutes to understand what they measure.
3. Australian's get a better warranty, our extended warranty is far better than the US extended warranty.

True or False? answer me those before you start another personal attack like a troll.

LOL. Pot, Kettle, Black.

[mebius9]

If you're worried about DSG then buy manual.. Otherwise you have full warranty for 3 years, which you can extend to 5 years which may not be a bad idea if keeping the car.

There is no manual version for current gen Passat
and half the reason I'm buying this car is DSG I like the idea of dual clutch a lot.
That's why I'm asking if it has any problems and some people overreact and get defensive...

It's been said before that these so called 'reliability' items are not your typical faults, it could be people being fussy/particular as most owners are and could be reporting quite trivial things. Not sure what the survey includes but there are really no major faults with these cars.

I know that there is no major fault with the car and I'm not fussy at all about those little rattles and squeaks that's why I've decided to buy the car in the first place.

But it's a known fact that VW was in the bottom ten for the last couple of years since MkV Golf based products came out
And VW admitted that MKV Golf/Jetta was too complicated to build requiring 42 hours to build compare to 20~30 hours of other manufactures.
I'm simply stating the facts I didn't say anything bad about the car... not a single thing read all of my posts.

[mebius9]

It's almost like you're buying the car because you want the mechatronics unit to fail so you can complain

That's just your imagination of hypothetical VW troll monster
I was simply wondering if mechatronics failure is widespread phenomenon...

1. Every car has faults.

Yeah, I know why are you keep telling me that?
I didn't say VW should be perfect and built from solid piece of titanium?

. FFS get over it, the reliability survey means nothing. Take 5 minutes to understand what they measure.

I have that's why I'm buying it.

3. Australian's get a better warranty, our extended warranty is far better than the US extended warranty.

Well that I didn't know.
All I heard was that US gets 10 year transmission warranty where else we don't

LOL. Pot, Kettle, Black.

I didn't make a single personal attack against you nor made any bad comments about the car it self.

[PassatB6]

Meibus, I think they went way too hard on you but Maverick and Rocket do have a habit of cracking a peanut with a sledgehammer.

In relation to the DSG issue, there have been millions made and they are generally extremely reliable give or take a few mechatronics units. Generally they can take much more than you can dish out so they are not fragile in any way.

Most of your concerns come from internet posts rather than stats and Americans in particular are renowned whingers about new technology AFTER they buy it, so I'd take most of what you read with a grain of salt. DSG has some peculiarities but to VW people that makes it interesting not something to be feared. I don't know of anyone here who has had to purchase a whole new DSG transmission.

[Highlander]

Reverend Maverick and Reverend Rocket

Your evangelical love and support for your beloved Volkswagens is to be admired but sometimes needs to be a little tempered with a dose of reality.

Isn't there an old saying "Love is Blind".

This is a forum where we can discuss things and maybe agree that others may have, and be allowed to have, a different view.

I bought my Mk VI TDI Golf without ever having any doubts about the DSG. It's only since coming on to this forum have I had any doubts. There are lots of discussions on this site about the DSG and its reliability or lack thereof. Wheels Magazine had to return their Skoda at 7000km with collapsed bearings in the box.

Closer reading of posts on this site indicate that the majority of DSG problems revolve around the Mechatronics unit rather than the internals but no doubt this is also a costly repair outside warranty - and not everybody changes their car every three or five years.

So a newbie who reads through this forum can be forgiven the sin of thinking that the DSG reliability needs to be considered.

Has made me think twice about ECU tune for my CC TDI. No Opinion offered as to whether this is a correct judgement or not but enough to give me a tinge of doubt.

Hyundai gives a 5 year unlimited warranty on the i30. Revs Maverick and Rocket no doubt you will tell me this is a marketing ploy to convince buyers and inspire confidence in the vehicles.

Do we apply the same logic to VWs 10 year warranty on the DSG in the United States when the overall warranty offered there is fairly ordinary

3 years / 36,000 miles (whichever occurs first) New Vehicle Limited Warranty. (58,000 km)
Powertrain - 5 years / 60,000 miles (whichever occurs first) Powertrain Limited Warranty.
Corrosion Perforation
12 years, unlimited distance Limited Warranty Against Corrosion Perforation.

VW USA is not very generous with its warranty by our standards.

10 Year DSG warranty done out of the goodness of their hearts. I think not.

My logic says that they need to inspire confidence in the DSG or at least convince purchasers that they will not be faced with expensive repair bills in the case of failure.

I don't have stats on DSG failures (from any cause) here or overseas. There are surveys that have their obvious flaws, same as there are flaws with "Car of the Year Awards" etc but they can at least be some sort of guide.

And I doubt whether VW are likely to release any stats that may be in any way detrimental to their sales (and why should they).

So does that make both DSG reliability and unreliability a matter of hearsay as none of us appear to have the facts.

And the more evangelical we are, the more we are likely to adopt the positive awards and surveys and to dismiss any others that do not suit our arguments.

That a newbie comes onto the forum to ask questions about purchasing a VW with DSG shows at least that he is doing some research before committing his dollars - wise move I would have thought. Especially as he is seeking counsel from the wise and experienced heads of VWWatercooled.

And Reverends, you are entitled to point out the error of some of his suppositions and statements but please, without condemning him to eternal hell fire and brimstone or worse still to a lifetime of driving a Lada.

What is the old proverb, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

(Flame proof suit fitted, ready and waiting for response)

[Highlander]

Jesus...

What are you guys Nazis?

Well, just remember how the Volkswagen started

Hitler met with automotive designer Ferdinand Porsche in 1933 and charged Porsche with creating the new car. The chancellor required that the Volkswagen carry two adults and three children, go up to 60 miles per hour, get at least 33 miles per gallon, and cost only 1,000 reichsmarks

[Maverick]

Love the IGNORE option.

Hey it works well. Thanks!

[mebius9]

Your evangelical love and support for your beloved Volkswagens is to be admired but sometimes needs to be a little tempered with a dose of reality.

Isn't there an old saying "Love is Blind".

Thank you thank you finally some sane logical positive discussion...

[mebius9]

Hey it works well. Thanks!

I win.









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[mebius9]

Well, just remember how the Volkswagen started

Hitler met with automotive designer Ferdinand Porsche in 1933 and charged Porsche with creating the new car. The chancellor required that the Volkswagen carry two adults and three children, go up to 60 miles per hour, get at least 33 miles per gallon, and cost only 1,000 reichsmarks

Heheheh hehe