Passat TFSI or 4 motion

[PowerHungry]

I think that choosing to buy a new car is a great initial step.

My 1st and 2nd car were both 1970' Galants, then had a 1979 2L escort. I spend a fair bit of time hoping I would have to stop quickly or go around a corner due to appalling traction, especially of it rained. The fact that they lacked a fair bit of power limited how fast I could go...which was probably a good thing. I did manage to write off a one of them, and my brother destroyed the other (something about trying to chase rabbits).

Moving to an all wheel drive liberty in 2002 was great. It would stop, go around corners, had harsh stability control, and too not much power. This meant that I avoided potential accidents, and reduced my risk of doing stupid things...no sustained loss of traction for me.

My slightly long winded point is that this chance of writing off your 1st car is very high (something to do with too much testosterone). So you might as well get something that is safe, not too much power, and not too expensive. That way you can survive to get a more exciting car for car number 2 (or number 5 in my case).

[ope126]

Some good and not so good comments on this thread...

With out throwing anyone out to dry, but it seems like the author of this thread is nowhere to be seen...

Maybe he still hasn't decided which car mummy or daddy (or the bank) will get for him, have a look at his threads...

Maybe he is one of those 50yr old, 17yr old internet geeks!

Whoops if I have offended anyone who is 50yrs old!

...now back on topic

[Leagle]

Ha ha, I remember reading numerous similar posts and reply on the WRX forums.... I didn't expect almost the same posts AND replies on a VW site particularly regarding a car perceived by many as "boring"!

My 2 cents worth:

1. The person posing the question states he is only 17yo but clearly has the intelligence to know his cars and do some research. Full kudos to him!

2. Not all 17 yo are hoons, though agree that at that age we all feel invincible and take risks that we don't dare to take later on in life. Hope he gets the point!

3. Hopefully the person posting the question will read all the comments... and not come to the conclusion that all our replies are jealously aimed comments by old fogeys (Disclosure: I myself am no spring chicken).

4. Yes, agree with comments you can kill yourself in ANY car. Hopefully the young gent will do an advanced driving course sooner rather than later and drive well within his limits on public roads...

5. Having said all of the above, as long as the law allowed him to drive it, I reckon the AWD Passat would be a great choice - he would be safe in the knowledge that he has one of the safest drivetrains in the planet. If anything, I would worry more for his mates who may try to copy the AWD car's abilities in their FWD/RWD cars! I would NOT get the turbo FWD car!

6. Finally, I can't help to think that this post (like most others before it) are written in the third person, as if the original poster is too young for us to address him directly! So if you you are reading matto247, my huge apologies! My simple straight answer is that yes, 4 motion is worth the extra $$$. I myself opted to buy a Passat with 4 Motion (having previously come from an AWD Subaru).

[V6Passat]

Hey guys new to the forum and well jus turned 17 a couple of weeks ago and looking at a car now havnt decided yet but it's prty much golf/Jetta/passat

well I know like golf wud be the most fun passat wud be the most cruiser car and comfortable anyway bak to my question

is the 4 motion worth the extra 5-8g? I'm planning to remap the ecu with apr"s if I get the tfsi and I know that the 4motion uses the same engine as that off the r32s soo yeah is it worth it and any positives and negatives of the car in general?

Cheers

To Answer your question, YES. I have an 2010 V6 4motion (2 months old) and worth the difference to the others. Just the AWD in my mind was worth the extra money. Plus, they are pretty rare, in Brisbane have only ever seen 3 others. Either way you can't go wrong. PS my first car was a 1972 corrolla 2 door - used more oil than petrol and upon reflection, it was a death trap. If you have the means, then the VW is a great car.

[Yevvy]

Ha ha, I remember reading numerous similar posts and reply on the WRX forums.... I didn't expect almost the same posts AND replies on a VW site particularly regarding a car perceived by many as "boring"!

My 2 cents worth:

1. The person posing the question states he is only 17yo but clearly has the intelligence to know his cars and do some research. Full kudos to him!

2. Not all 17 yo are hoons, though agree that at that age we all feel invincible and take risks that we don't dare to take later on in life. Hope he gets the point!

3. Hopefully the person posting the question will read all the comments... and not come to the conclusion that all our replies are jealously aimed comments by old fogeys (Disclosure: I myself am no spring chicken).

4. Yes, agree with comments you can kill yourself in ANY car. Hopefully the young gent will do an advanced driving course sooner rather than later and drive well within his limits on public roads...

5. Having said all of the above, as long as the law allowed him to drive it, I reckon the AWD Passat would be a great choice - he would be safe in the knowledge that he has one of the safest drivetrains in the planet. If anything, I would worry more for his mates who may try to copy the AWD car's abilities in their FWD/RWD cars! I would NOT get the turbo FWD car!

6. Finally, I can't help to think that this post (like most others before it) are written in the third person, as if the original poster is too young for us to address him directly! So if you you are reading matto247, my huge apologies! My simple straight answer is that yes, 4 motion is worth the extra $$$. I myself opted to buy a Passat with 4 Motion (having previously come from an AWD Subaru).

heh i'm not an old fogey just turned 20 and still on my green p's. now i don't have a 4motion passat, i know its newer, has a new gen haldex, better calibrated esp and is probably easier to drive. however, awd makes you want to go faster and faster around corners, and if you full throttle it in the corner (thinking the car will just grip) the front raises and the rear axle pushes you out wide and very quickly, then you take the power off the front grips and pulls you to the other side. If you had to much opposite lock on you'll be in big trouble.

so my point is, is the awd worth it? YES. But you need to be aware that you are not invincible. good luck with the choice of car. I'd still stick with a tdi passat

[Big Yellow]

FYI, the 3.2 V6 in the passat is not the VR6 in the R32.

the passat engine comes from an Audi and has FSI.

[Yevvy]

FYI, the 3.2 V6 in the passat is not the VR6 in the R32.

the passat engine comes from an Audi and has FSI.

it is an fsi vr6 from a mk5 r32 (yes mk5 r32s have fsi). audis don't make vr6s, their v6 isn't a narrow angle (its a 90 degree i think, where the vr6 is 15). b5 and b5.5 passats used a longitudinal v6 from an audi, but the b6s use a transverse layout with an r32 donk under the bonnet.

[Big Yellow]

it is an fsi vr6 from a mk5 r32 (yes mk5 r32s have fsi). audis don't make vr6s, their v6 isn't a narrow angle (its a 90 degree i think, where the vr6 is 10.6). b5 and b5.5 passats used a longitudinal v6 from an audi, but the b6s use a transverse layout with an r32 donk under the bonnet.

LOL

r32s dont have FSI.

different displacements and different bore and stoke. look it up. and different ecus.

i know what a narrow angle v6 and the R32 is 15 degs.

australian passats never got the vr6 motor like the US cars did. they are 90deg V6s.

[Swallowtail]

LOL

r32s dont have FSI.

different displacements and different bore and stoke. look it up. and different ecus.

i know what a narrow angle v6 and the R32 is 15 degs.

australian passats never got the vr6 motor like the US cars did. they are 90deg V6s.

Huh? R36 PASSAT is a VR6 - narrow angle - not a 90 degree V6. As is the 3.2 Passat - a VR6 but with FSI where the R32 doesn't have it...

[Big Yellow]

Huh? R36 PASSAT is a VR6 - narrow angle - not a 90 degree V6. As is the 3.2 Passat - a VR6 but with FSI where the R32 doesn't have it...

i was talking about the 3.2L V6 highline. not the r36.

you will find that the 3.2L v6 in the passat is the same as an audi 3.2L v6 engine.

have a look at the displacment and bore and stroke. they are not the same as the 3.2L VR6

[Swallowtail]

The R32 motor is a 15 degree VR6 engine, no FSI.
The Passat B6s come with choice of two 10.6 degree VR6 engines - either a 3.2 available in the 4motion, or the 3.6 in the R36. Both are FSI.



The previous generation Passats had longitudinal mount engines. B6s are VR6, not V6...

[Swallowtail]

you will find that the 3.2L v6 in the passat is the same as an audi 3.2L v6 engine.

have a look at the displacment and bore and stroke. they are not the same as the 3.2L VR6

The bore / stroke is different because it's a different engine. It's a smaller version if the 10.6 degree 3.6, not the 15 degree 3.2 in the Golf. It's NOT the Audi engine...

[Big Yellow]

The bore / stroke is different because it's a different engine. It's a smaller version if the 10.6 degree 3.6, not the 15 degree 3.2 in the Golf. It's NOT the Audi engine...

according to Volkswagen Australia, the 3.2L V6 in the passat has a displacement of 3168cc.

The 10.6deg VR6 has a displacement of 3189cc.

bore and stroke of the aussie 3.2L V6 is 86/90.9.

bore and stroke of 10.6deg VR6 is 84/95.9.

[Swallowtail]

ETKA for current generation (B6) Passats shows the 3.2 / 3.6 as the same configuration / layout

The engine in my 3.6 is the BWS engine code. The 3.2 is AXZ.

[Golf Houso]

Lol, busy day at work Simon!?