Tiguan Performance Tuning

[Guy_H]

Thanks for the response, in that case, the "light DSG tuning" is the same as offered by all the tuners who tune the engine ecu

[ViezuAustralia]

I've never heard of Launch Control alterations being made for free on such tunes for all these other tuners but haven't done a vast amount of research on it either.

What do your / all other tuners Launch Control system launch at after the free inclusion ?


It may be of interest to this thread that we'll be offering something very special in regards to DSG's early next year too. Will keep everyone posted on that

[Guy_H]

We don't change the static launch control RPM as that's located in the mechatronics unit - pretty simple - we don't claim to perform DSG magic via remapping the engine ECU either.

All our software is transmission specific, that's pretty obvious. Engine calibration for a DSG car is different to that for a manual car - always has been.

[Tiggy1]

Loving this Getting to the real nitty-gritty now, carry on guys - it is to the benefit of us all

[ViezuAustralia]

We don't change the static launch control RPM as that's located in the mechatronics unit - pretty simple - we don't claim to perform DSG magic via remapping the engine ECU either.

All our software is transmission specific, that's pretty obvious. Engine calibration for a DSG car is different to that for a manual car - always has been.

Sorry Guy I'm not sure I follow. I thought you/all other tuners could do it - now you can't or don't claim to perform DSG magic via remapping the engine either ?

Regardless - as I've explained, we do a free light-dsg-tune (and its affects) or a full on DSG remap. We can, we do, and there are Golf 'R' owners especially all over this forum and others I'm sure who will confirm this is the case.

Whether other tuners can or can't do it doesn't really interest us - all I'm sure the forum members want to know is: Viezu offer it for most VAG motors, it works, it's fully insured like all Viezu tuning services, and as an example clients say on the 'R' it can raise the LC from 3200 to 4200 rpm ish, and equally as important enables much quicker pick up, more decisive, smoother, faster changes. Pretty much sorts all the problems clients come to us saying they have with the DSG transmission.

And of course all of our mapping is custom written for the car - so obviously Viezu tunes are transmission specific too... Along with being specific on everything else a client desires, mods, levels of economy, performance, emissions, curves, fuel type etc etc etc etc etc.

Happy to answer any other questions from the forum members though. And Tiggy1 - no problem - always happy to help

Cheers

Simon

[Pullstarter]

This why you buy a manual

[Drift]

When you state "Fully Insured" regarding your tunes, are you suggesting that should something fail as a result of the tune, let's say the mechatronics unit or a burnt piston, Viezu will cover the cost of replacement?

[Guy_H]

Thanks for the response Simon,

Seeming Tiggy has a DSG car, I think it would benefit us all on how the DSG launch control is changed by remapping the engine - so if you can humor us all & let us know how its done in layman's terms (no need to give trade secrets away).

I took your suggestion & tried to look up some customers that had your software & the launch control, but could not find anything conclusive.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f112/mk6-golf-acceleration-performance-data-46834-54.html#post723718

Brick's Golf R [Archive] - VWGolf.net.au - Australian VW Golf Forum

I also managed to find several people who have various tunes (including ours) that also had launch that would sometimes activate at over 4000rpm's. I even experienced it once in my new GTI . Can you explain this to us please?

---------- Post added at 04:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:46 PM ----------

Oh, P.S. We have 3 DSG cars in the Brisbane development fleet, all modified, so we are very well experienced in them - inside out & software - so please feel free to ask me anything about them you like!

[ViezuAustralia]

When you state "Fully Insured" regarding your tunes, are you suggesting that should something fail as a result of the tune, let's say the mechatronics unit or a burnt piston, Viezu will cover the cost of replacement?

Hi Drift

For sure - uniquely, Viezu internationally cover all of their tunes/tuning services, so any issue directly attributable to the mapping is covered.

Throw in the International quality standards (ISO) accreditation and you know you're buying a quality product that we stick by.

All tuning levels are covered, from Eco/Blue Optimize/Blend files/Performance/Motorsport/Max-it-mapping

The mark 5 GTi we see 70hp and 100Nm, for example, fully insured, no mods, normal 98 octane fuel. The fact Viezu don't do 'spikes' and won't allow anything other than the most drivable gains around are a bonus. The fact the lag is gone, is as smooth or smoother than stock, the turbo comes on sooner in the rev range, and it screams to the cut out and eats stock Golf R's for breakfast is another benefit.

The Tiguan 2.0TFSi engines see 40hp and 85 Nm at the moment on the normal 'performance' level of mapping and the stage 2 R&D programs are underway for this engine (still no mods - you add mods and they custom write them in of course as they do with all levels of tune and they just go harder)......

[Pullstarter]

Can I ask why your Tiguan tune nets 40hp (I assume this is calculated on the 147tsi?) when the APR tune nets over 50hp on the 147?

[ViezuAustralia]

Thanks for the response Simon,

Seeming Tiggy has a DSG car, I think it would benefit us all on how the DSG launch control is changed by remapping the engine - so if you can humor us all & let us know how its done in layman's terms (no need to give trade secrets away).

I took your suggestion & tried to look up some customers that had your software & the launch control, but could not find anything conclusive.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/forums/f112/mk6-golf-acceleration-performance-data-46834-54.html#post723718

Brick's Golf R [Archive] - VWGolf.net.au - Australian VW Golf Forum

I also managed to find several people who have various tunes (including ours) that also had launch that would sometimes activate at over 4000rpm's. I even experienced it once in my new GTI . Can you explain this to us please?

---------- Post added at 04:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:46 PM ----------

Oh, P.S. We have 3 DSG cars in the Brisbane development fleet, all modified, so we are very well experienced in them - inside out & software - so please feel free to ask me anything about them you like!

Guy,

Perhaps we'll have to wait for whoever wants to update their threads to see what the latest DSG light-tune does for them by the looks. Many are in final testing but looking good. Certainly many of the LC we've tested so far are altering and other are being tested now. That's either a lot of bugs in LC's or some other 'magic'. In any event the main point of the light-dsg-tune is that shift patterns are faster, smoother, and quicker reacting - ignoring the LC for a moment. And it's a free inclusion of course with very attractive pricing to begin with, and fully insured of course.

Sure Tiggy1 why not - if you're game! But those R's you've found will benefit shortly if not already.

Since you bought it up, Viezu's International R&D and Technical Centre tune cars across the world from Africa to America to Russia, all over Europe, and now here of course. 34 countries now, all being serviced from the Euro R&D and Technical Centre at Viezu HQ dealing with all countries so their teams and decades of experience across the globe can assist me, a little I'm sure if ever I need it, but thanks very much for your kind offer.

I might take you up on it with my Porsche DE1 - Viezu are coding specialists, we don't manufacture components, so if you can get the a TPC racing turbo kit I might be interested mate. Do you still stock the TPC racing turbo kits?

Brick's 'R' prompted a whole new R&D program on the Aussie spec 'R' as we had issues earlier this year with our remote tuning device amongst other issues with the files. We then did further R&D on them. These were sorted along with the LC and clients here are reporting 4.7s 0-100 just off the mapping I believe, and that's before the DSG alterations. Oh and mid/low 13's on the 1/4 - again just the mapping on regular 98 fuel. And without the final DSG alterations either. Not sure how that compares to APR and others - some clients tell me it's almost half a second quicker but that sounds a lot - Guy can you assist?

Tiggi1 we'll have to put yours down the 1/4 strip to find out with these !

Stay tuned and I'm sure more customers who are forum members will get on here and put their findings up soon enough.

Cheers

Simon

---------- Post added at 06:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:28 PM ----------

Can I ask why your Tiguan tune nets 40hp (I assume this is calculated on the 147tsi?) when the APR tune nets over 50hp on the 147?

Hi Pullstarter

Sure. That's our performance level of tune with no mods. Tech will go harder but they're doing a whole new R&D program for this engine for our motorsport level of mapping soon enough.

The MED17 2.0TFSi 147 won't allow the ballistic 70+hp/100Nm like the Golf 5 GTi mapping we do just yet, but we're working on it.

But take dyno figures with a pinch of salt. I understand competitors may see up to 66hp on a stage 1 (with intake, as I understand it) on a Golf 'R' for example. Whereas Viezu's mapping level of tune (no mods) will 'only' see high 40's to 52hp max. But I've just been reading this where you'll see here what our 1/4 mile times are in comparison. You may find it useful.

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...-46834-54.html

Well I say 'comparison' but ours is with no mods, fully insured, and custom written to your requirements, not off the shelf. Any mods you do have will be perfectly written into the coding and just go even quicker. We just need the specs of the hardware, whoever may make it.

We might be one of the largest and fastest growing tuning brand in the world, but here in Australia we are very new. We've barely launched. Our print media marketing isn't even out yet! Just a few forum ads to start with. You'll see us around a lot more once our dealer network is established shortly, and we're after race teams to sponsor locally in Aus' so stay tuned on that too.

Happy to assist with any queries at all so please fire away or bounce me an email

Cheers

Simon
simon@viezuaustralia.com.au

[Pullstarter]

Thanks for the reply.

[aussietig]

If you ring VW and ask how much an ECU costs, that would go a long way towards explaining why ECUs are not done on exchange.

Yes ... if only they were like gas cylinders and you could just swap them at a servo or Bunnings.

---------- Post added at 09:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:02 PM ----------

We might be one of the largest and fastest growing tuning brand in the world, but here in Australia we are very new. We've barely launched. Our print media marketing isn't even out yet! Just a few forum ads to start with. You'll see us around a lot more once our dealer network is established shortly, and we're after race teams to sponsor locally in Aus' so stay tuned on that too.

Yes ... nothing like some healthy competition!

Maybe we will finally see the price of tunes & mods here being more comparable to their overseas HQ.

[tigger73]

Perhaps we'll have to wait for whoever wants to update their threads to see what the latest DSG light-tune does for them by the looks. Many are in final testing but looking good. Certainly many of the LC we've tested so far are altering and other are being tested now. That's either a lot of bugs in LC's or some other 'magic'. In any event the main point of the light-dsg-tune is that shift patterns are faster, smoother, and quicker reacting - ignoring the LC for a moment. And it's a free inclusion of course with very attractive pricing to begin with, and fully insured of course.

Tiggi1 we'll have to put yours down the 1/4 strip to find out with these !

Certainly there's a number of us with DSG Tigs that are keen to get better response/characteristics from our DSG box as well as better performance out of our engines. I am also not convinced that a straight ECU tune is the answer, as the DSG program is still going to alter the speed of response to accelerator inputs.

I am interested to find out how your DSG "light-tune" works - not necesarily the details but if you're going to modify something in my car I'd like to know which component and how to get it back to "stock" if anything does go wrong. Also if I can understand conceptually how you do it, then it makes your claims a little more believable than just marketing hype. Not that I'm having a go, just for a lot of us it's a little subjective / unsubstantiated at this point in time.

By the sound of things there's still a bit more work to do in R&D and I'm sure there's more than a handful of us that are hanging out for a good solution that fits performance/everyday driveability/family budget. I think you'll find the reason that most of us have Tigs instead of 3 door type R's is that kids and 3 door hatches really don't mix.

I'd be interested in getting a comparison of 1/4 times for various tuning options/companies. Then you can put them side by side and do a proper comparison. Same track, same driver, same conditions. It's a big ask and don't think it would ever happen unless you were a motor mag editor.... perhaps.

[Transporter]

Well, some things you (all) will have to do yourself. Just get together and test them at the race track. What could be more convincing than that?