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Why would you think a stage 1 tune would only net 160kw at the crank? What evidence do you have to support this claim? See my attached dyno print out if you want some real evidence not just hearsay. 155kw and 307nm at the fronts. Stage 1 APR and a K&N intake.
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Thanks - I thought it would be about that - around 80% of the quoted power - as I know stock Forester XT's put down around 135kw from the quoted 169kw. It's fairly easy to get them over 200kw at the wheels and it's amazing what is running around out there and isn't obvious until you take a close look.
no offense mate.. but if its a rough guide its pretty inaccurate. i am yet to see a tiguan timeslip quoting 14.02
and trust me mate i know the difference between fwd, rwd and awd when it comes to drag racing im not an idiot.
but quite frankly im not talking about power here.. im talking about the claims that his stage 1 4wd managed a 5.9 and a 14.02 to shave THAT much time off the stock time with just a "mere" stage 1 tune is rubbish and people here are going wow cool im gonna get me one too blah blah. its deceptive
Sorry mate i wasn't trying to be condescending, i chucked it up as on forums it's seems like 90% don't know that stuff.
I'm not a fan of dyno's, 0-100 or ET's either because of the same issue you bring up. Who knows, maybe the driver dumped the clutch at redline to get that result?
As for the kw, it's all the same engine whether you have the stock 125kw or the 147kw version and the tune is 1 version for boost/timing/fuel for both configurations. I bought the 125 over the 147 because i was going to mod it. I figured why waste money on more 'stock' power when it was going to be irrelevant anyway.
1. krracing is a current V8 Supercars driver .... and I for 1 have no reason to doubt his times, and sure he'll post the timeslip when he gets around to it .... an actual professional driver, not wannebee's like the rest of us here (and I include myself in that)
2. the Tig's run the exact same engine as the MK6 GTI, so just like the GTI's a stage 1 chip will result in power at the wheels anywhere between 150kw & 155kw, and I have seen it myself. Stg 1 GTI and Stg 1 Tig on the same dyno on the same day.
3. My Tig makes 155kw atw, just like Pullstarters and I also have the dyno sheets to prove it.
4. A manual Tig, needs no launch control and can rev to any rev point you like while stationary, so you can rev it and drop the clutch if you're brave enough .....
5. A manual Tig weighs 1610kg, less than 150kg more than a S3 or an R, so with the exact same AWD as both those and 189kw/400NM (more than the 330NM of the R/S3) a time equalling their "official" 0-100 is very possible.
Again, we have complete ignorance about cars in general and VW models specifically come into a decent thread.
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You're telling me a Tiguan 125 TSi with just a Stage 1 Tune and NOTHING else is making 150kw at the wheels ?
Yes I would like to see the results of that specific car. As for the dyno on my car im not really sure how that is relevant to this discussion?
I am more than happy to send you dyno results of my car with higher numbers on two different dyno's (both hub and rolling dyno) to prove that my car does make higher numbers than what was posted in hot tuner shoot out.
So the fact that numbers are so significantly different would lead me to believe something is wrong with my tune at the time of the shoot out... hence my claim. So are you possibly suggesting that revo doesnt live up to its claims where as APR does?
I have no allegiance to any tuning company nor do i care. But im calling a spade a spade and i find those times quoted in relation to the Tiguan highly doubtful
Hi Robby,
I'm not making any "performance or acceleration claims" with a Tiguan, but I can assure you - YES a 125kw Tiguan with APR stage 1 is making ~ 150 wheel KW's - and there have been at least 4 dynoed around the country on different types of dyno's.
And as mentioned by Big Yellow, the 125 & 147kw essentially share the same motor, so the 125kw boys get an extra 22kw bonus
I don't really care about your product or anyone else's product or claims, but certainly ours makes that, its repeatable anywhere.
Why would you think a stage 1 tune would only net 160kw at the crank? What evidence do you have to support this claim? See my attached dyno print out if you want some real evidence not just hearsay. 155kw and 307nm at the fronts. Stage 1 APR and a K&N intake.
Pullstarter - nice dyno! - I have not seen yours before, but thats spot on the money - 155 wheel KW's from a stage 1 flash
Gee even the Canberra dyno's read the same as Brisbane & Sydney!
Why do you doubt our claims? When we were all at the Motor tuner challenge, you were the only VAG car that was extremely disappointed in your dyno's & claimed something was wrong (with the dyno or your car) - yet you doubt ours?
Anyway, we claim 189kw - because that's what we make.
HAHAHAHAHA.... Take that!
Who does Robby Jai work for so I make sure I never go there?
if the power reading on my car at the tuner shoot out is of such interest and that my claims of my car/dyno issue is soo dubious and suggest possibly the product i am using is rubbish...... here is some food for thought for you.. As a very very astute forum member pointed out.. a good way to get an idea of a cars power is by its vmax at the 0-400m so some numbers to consider... according to motor mag at the shoot out
the TMR EVO X had a top speed of 177km/h at the 400 mark and it makes 226kw at the wheels
The MRT EVO X had a top speed of 170km/h at the 400 mark and it only made 196kw at the wheels
the MRT STI had a top speed of 182km/h at the 400 mark and it made 242kw at the wheels
the CP Sirocco had a top speed of 169km/h at the 400 mark and it made 194kw at the wheels
the GTI had a top speed of 179km/h at the 400 mark and it made 217kw
the golf r had a top speed of 176km/h at the 400 mark and it made 230kw at the wheels
the 135 had a top speed of 176km/h at the 400 mark and it made 225kw at the wheels
now my pissy little car topped out at 178km/h at the 400 mark and it ONLY made 187kw at the wheels...
looking at those ABOVE numbers and its consistency for the day...
two things jump out at me... two cars that make roughly the same power (195kw) gets a vmax of 170km/h there abouts... pretty consistent if you ask me...... shouldnt my car be maxing out at about the same speed cos i've only got 187kw?????
DO you honestly believe my car is only making 187kw at the wheels??????? or would it make you think that either the dyno reading wasnt done correctly on my car or it was misbehaving on the dyno
at the end of the day and i repeat.... i have no care for power ... my original comments were I find the times quoted very dubious and highly unbelievable and unless some one whips out a timeslip to prove other wise..... i'll stick by my original comments.
if proven wrong im happy to eat humble pie and apologise profusely for my rash and stupid statements.
i dont honestly think you believe my car ONLY makes 187kw Guy... you are very experienced yourself and you know the type of power that is required to get the numbers my car achieved on the day and 187kw aint it.
and for anybody else just pause for a moment and have a think about it.... at the end of the day awd/fwd/rwd has very little to do with power once the car is up and buggered off and power ultimately comes into play!
I'm not making any "performance or acceleration claims" with a Tiguan, but I can assure you - YES a 125kw Tiguan with APR stage 1 is making ~ 150 wheel KW's - and there have been at least 4 dynoed around the country on different types of dyno's.
And as mentioned by Big Yellow, the 125 & 147kw essentially share the same motor, so the 125kw boys get an extra 22kw bonus
I don't really care about your product or anyone else's product or claims, but certainly ours makes that, its repeatable anywhere.
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