Tiguan Performance - quarter mile

[Large Fruit]

I would personally like to see 1/4 mile trap speeds from the stage 2 Tig because i don't have any idea how well that level of modified car really performs. Krracing's results were promising so i expect better from a stage 2.

Guy, does the stage 3 tsi kit listed on the APR website simply bolt straight up to our 2009 Tig's? Do you know if anyone in the world has done this yet and taken it down the 1/4 mile?

On a side note, if you get the APR software loaded, do you get an APR badge for free in that price? A silly question i know but this was the most important topic for me whilst trapped in traffic this morning lol.

[clip]

I personally don't see the Tig as a SUV, ....For me it is a cheap AWD performance hatch ...... I have countless times embarrassed more "powerful" cars off the line .... .... however, on our oil-stained slippery roads I have no issues taking on a current gen V8 (or R or WRW/STI)....

I have to agree with all that Sharkie. I know it sounds a bit wankerish, but I've yet to be embarrassed, but have seriously upset many others, especailly Subaru drivers (although I suspect the word is getting out to them about the Tigs as I've had two recently that seemed to have been very "interested" in trying it on with me).

By the way (an excuse my ignorance on Holdens), but what's a "317" badged C'dore?

[Guy_H]

Only stage 3 on Tiguan's that I know of are on theose quirky front wheel drive ones.

The stage 3 requires a specific downpipe, which does not exist to date (for the AWD), but we know exactly how to make one. It will not be too difficult for us to get a Tiguan Stage 3 into production, but we don't seem to have enough market for the kit (hence exploring the K04 option which, installed can work out at around half the price!)

[Large Fruit]

Only stage 3 on Tiguan's that I know of are on theose quirky front wheel drive ones.

The stage 3 requires a specific downpipe, which does not exist to date (for the AWD), but we know exactly how to make one. It will not be too difficult for us to get a Tiguan Stage 3 into production, but we don't seem to have enough market for the kit (hence exploring the K04 option which, installed can work out at around half the price!)

Thanks for clarifying Guy.

[Guy_H]

Hey Guy
just wondering what options are available to us, backward, auto guys....(-
cheers
Tigga1

Auto wont be a problem, in essence they handle more torque than manual / DSG!)

[bwen]

By the way (an excuse my ignorance on Holdens), but what's a "317" badged C'dore?

I'm assuming 317 means the amount of power in KW at the crank? or it could mean 317ci which is roughly 5.2L I think but I don't think holden has released a 5.2L engine in a long time

[Greg Roles]

You guys live under a stone?

317 kw crank.

[Large Fruit]

You guys live under a stone?

317 kw crank.

Under a stone and on planet Mars apparently.

[robby_jai]

I just came across this and im sorry but im going to hose down this party... but i find this time quoted extremely improbable for the following reason

1. Your 125 TSi weighs 1630kg
2. Your stock power is 125kw
3. Your APR Stage 1 power if we are to accept APR's claims is 189kw which i DOUBT! but realistically based on my online searches of stage 1 tiguans WITH DYNO sheets they are coming up at about 160kw at the crank!
4. You car doesnt have launch control so you are unable to spool up the power before launch. You just have to stomp on the accelerator and wait for the car to spool up.
5. Your stock acceleration time 8.2seconds for manual and 9.1 for Auto.

none of these add up to a 5.9sec and 14.02sec time im sorry!

That is just complete utter rubbish. GTECH Pro are hardly a reputable machine of high accuracy and results can vary depending on placement, weather conditions etc.

To put it bluntly a LIGHTER cars with far more horspower were barely getting five seconds for the 0-100km/h at the motor magazine hot tuner shoot out.

You seriously expect me to believe you shaved up to 3 seconds off the standard times with just a stage 1 tune??? Complete and utter b/s and quite frankly a ridiculous claim

I challenge you to provide proof by putting your car on a dyno and going to the drag strip and providing dyno charts and drag strip time slips to prove it.

I bet you wont even get close to your 14.02 claim! I bet you wont do it either

Well done Karl !!

Agree with team_v, add the DP + software and you'd be below 14s .....

Some news I've got

I did some testing about a month ago in a 125 TSI Manual Tig (not my own) with only a Stg 1 map (and stock 16" Bridgestone tyres) .... the driver is very adept at getting it off the line ..... 0-100 on my G-Tech Pro in .... 5.92s ..... did 3 runs 6.23s, 6.03s and 5.92s ..... no space for 400m times .....

That is noticably quicker than a std Golf R manual ...... and for less than $38K new on the road .....

[Large Fruit]

To put it bluntly a LIGHTER cars with far more horspower were barely getting five seconds for the 0-100km/h at the motor magazine hot tuner shoot out.

You seriously expect me to believe you shaved up to 3 seconds off the standard times with just a stage 1 tune??? Complete and utter b/s and quite frankly a ridiculous claim

I challenge you to provide proof by putting your car on a dyno and going to the drag strip and providing dyno charts and drag strip time slips to prove it.

I bet you wont even get close to your 14.02 claim! I bet you wont do it either

I think he was only doing it as a rough guide.

There have been timeslips posted already, check them out as they are real world results.

Dyno's are useless, the trap speed is the best indication because it never lies.

As for motor magazine, you are probably getting confused with the FWD cars. FWD cars with a lot of power are a biatch to get off the line quickly. Even with 260kw at the fly in my last FWD car i struggled to better 5.6 0-100. Put that same power in an AWD car and you will dip into the high 4's no sweat because you can simply 'mash the pedal' and have traction. I'm not validating the numbers that have been quoted by sharkie, what i am saying is traction is the key to a quick 0-100 time, exactly like a quick ET is traction. The trap speeds are generally consistent no matter what ET you run and so are a better indicator of true power.

You need to start looking at the trap speeds as an indication of power. The 0-100 and 1/4 ET's are so fiddly it's not funny and then everyone argues (just like you have).

[Guy_H]

3. Your APR Stage 1 power if we are to accept APR's claims is 189kw which i DOUBT! but realistically based on my online searches of stage 1 tiguans WITH DYNO sheets they are coming up at about 160kw at the crank!

I have several Wheel kw dyno's here of stage 1 & stage 1 + downpipe only. Lowest reading is 150kw @ wheels - best is 160kw @ wheels.

Why do you doubt our claims? When we were all at the Motor tuner challenge, you were the only VAG car that was extremely disappointed in your dyno's & claimed something was wrong (with the dyno or your car) - yet you doubt ours?

Anyway, we claim 189kw - because that's what we make.

If anyone can host the pdf's I'll supply the dyno.

[robby_jai]

I think he was only doing it as a rough guide.

There have been timeslips posted already, check them out as they are real world results.

Dyno's are useless, the trap speed is the best indication because it never lies.

As for motor magazine, you are probably getting confused with the FWD cars. FWD cars with a lot of power are a biatch to get off the line quickly. Even with 260kw at the fly in my last FWD car i struggled to better 5.6 0-100. Put that same power in an AWD car and you will dip into the high 4's no sweat because you can simply 'mash the pedal' and have traction. I'm not validating the numbers that have been quoted by sharkie, what i am saying is traction is the key to a quick 0-100 time, exactly like a quick ET is traction. The trap speeds are generally consistent no matter what ET you run and so are a better indicator of true power.

You need to start looking at the trap speeds as an indication of power. The 0-100 and 1/4 ET's are so fiddly it's not funny and then everyone argues (just like you have).

no offense mate.. but if its a rough guide its pretty inaccurate. i am yet to see a tiguan timeslip quoting 14.02

and trust me mate i know the difference between fwd, rwd and awd when it comes to drag racing im not an idiot.

but quite frankly im not talking about power here.. im talking about the claims that his stage 1 4wd managed a 5.9 and a 14.02 to shave THAT much time off the stock time with just a "mere" stage 1 tune is rubbish and people here are going wow cool im gonna get me one too blah blah. its deceptive

[team_v]

no offense mate.. but if its a rough guide its pretty inaccurate. i am yet to see a tiguan timeslip quoting 14.02

and trust me mate i know the difference between fwd, rwd and awd when it comes to drag racing im not an idiot.

but quite frankly im not talking about power here.. im talking about the claims that his stage 1 4wd managed a 5.9 and a 14.02 to shave THAT much time off the stock time with just a "mere" stage 1 tune is rubbish and people here are going wow cool im gonna get me one too blah blah. its deceptive

This is a FWD Tig blog from the US.
2009 Tiguan SE Performance

He ran Stage 1 + intake at the drag strip and made a 14.731 @ 94.21 MPH Quarter Mile
I have no doubts that with the addition of the 4Mo system you would be able to knock it down to the very low 14's.




Dyno ploit of Stage 1 on the FWD tig.

[robby_jai]

So Guy

You're telling me a Tiguan 125 TSi with just a Stage 1 Tune and NOTHING else is making 150kw at the wheels ?

Yes I would like to see the results of that specific car. As for the dyno on my car im not really sure how that is relevant to this discussion?

I am more than happy to send you dyno results of my car with higher numbers on two different dyno's (both hub and rolling dyno) to prove that my car does make higher numbers than what was posted in hot tuner shoot out.

So the fact that numbers are so significantly different would lead me to believe something is wrong with my tune at the time of the shoot out... hence my claim. So are you possibly suggesting that revo doesnt live up to its claims where as APR does?

I have no allegiance to any tuning company nor do i care. But im calling a spade a spade and i find those times quoted in relation to the Tiguan highly doubtful

I have several Wheel kw dyno's here of stage 1 & stage 1 + downpipe only. Lowest reading is 150kw @ wheels - best is 160kw @ wheels.

Why do you doubt our claims? When we were all at the Motor tuner challenge, you were the only VAG car that was extremely disappointed in your dyno's & claimed something was wrong (with the dyno or your car) - yet you doubt ours?

Anyway, we claim 189kw - because that's what we make.

If anyone can host the pdf's I'll supply the dyno.

[Sumodog68]

It is an interesting thread. I was thinking the same lines as robby_jai. Tiguan is 1.7t car with stock 0-100 in mid eights.Power to weight ratio is not great. With ECU tune ( i am guessing higher boost being main focus along with fuelling maps) these things are running R8 clubbies and F6's ...
I know a few people who own locally built RWD performance sedans and don't think any of them would see Tiguan as a car to do a run with.
I don't mean to offend any Tig owners and in fact i am considering one myself.
Anything around mid 14sec for a quarter is super fast for something like a Tig.
F6 's run mid 12's ( factory standard car ) and are in a different league performance wise. Clubsports are a bit slower but not by much.