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  • Factory oil specification EA888 Gen4

    The oil spec for our EA888.4 engines is 0W-30.

    I don't think that is a good spec for longevity in Australia's temperatures or most people's usage patterns which are severe by most user manual definitions.

    What do you reckon?

    Should we be using 5W-30 or 5W-40 when summer temperatures hit 40+ degrees? 0w has no ability to cool an engine when operating in such temperatures, especially if using the engines potential....
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    The 0w-30 will be to achieve the lower fuel consumption and co2 figures and to accomodate for the sub-zero temperatures in some countries.

    Definitely go for a 5w-30 or a 10w-30 if you can one in the correct VW50x spec. Also would advise to half the manufacturers recommended service intervals if you want the car to last a long time (eg instead of a 15,000km interval, go for somewhere between 7,500-10,000km)

    The brand new VAG cars are 0w-20 in the VW508/509 spec.

    Some new Japanese cars use 0w-16 or 0w-8 oil which is insane.
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      From a quick Google, if your oil spec is VW508/509 then its only available in a 0w-20 oil weight. The well known brand Liqui-Moly is ludicrously expensive too as per the 2nd link.

      Do Australian spec cars have a petrol particulate filter (PPF)? If they do then you will have to run the correct oil. If you do not have a PPF then it will be fine to run the older VW504/507 spec oils which is available in a 5w-30 and a good deal cheaper to buy.

      Synplus 508/509 0W20 - Hi-Tec Oils – Universal Auto Spares

      LIQUI MOLY - Top Tec 6200 0W-20 (5L) - Engine Oil - Volkswagen 508/509– VAGPARTS Australia
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        Originally posted by Lucas_R View Post
        The 0w-30 will be to achieve the fuel consumption figures and to accomodate for the sub-zero temperatures in some countries.

        Definitely go for a 5w-30 or a 10w-30 if you can one in the correct VW50x spec. Also would advise to half the manufacturers recommended service intervals if you want the car to last a long time (eg instead of a 15,000km interval, go for somewhere between 7,500-10,000km)

        The brand new VAG cars are 0w-20 in the VW508/509 spec.

        Some new Japanese cars use 0w-16 or 0w-8 oil which is insane.
        Thanks for the info. I saw today where the LC300 is running bearings and their oil spec is 0W-20.

        I have a 3 year service pack that came with my car, so I will now plan to dump the dealer oil after service and fill with 5W30. I don't do more than 5-8000ks per year so won't need intermediate change.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lucas_R View Post
          From a quick Google, if your oil spec is VW508/509 then its only available in a 0w-20 oil weight. The well known brand Liqui-Moly is ludicrously expensive too as per the 2nd link.

          Do Australian spec cars have a petrol particulate filter (PPF)? If they do then you will have to run the correct oil. If you do not have a PPF then it will be fine to run the older VW504/507 spec oils which is available in a 5w-30 and a good deal cheaper to buy.

          Synplus 508/509 0W20 - Hi-Tec Oils – Universal Auto Spares

          LIQUI MOLY - Top Tec 6200 0W-20 (5L) - Engine Oil - Volkswagen 508/509– VAGPARTS Australia
          Mine does have a PPF but the oil sticker is 0W-30 504/507. I expect 5W-30 in 504./507 should be OK?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by gerhard View Post
            Thanks for the info. I saw today where the LC300 is running bearings and their oil spec is 0W-20.

            I have a 3 year service pack that came with my car, so I will now plan to dump the dealer oil after service and fill with 5W30. I don't do more than 5-8000ks per year so won't need intermediate change.
            Originally posted by gerhard View Post
            Mine does have a PPF but the oil sticker is 0W-30 504/507. I expect 5W-30 in 504./507 should be OK?
            Yes ive heard that they are having issues with the V6 engine in the new Landcruisers - I havent looked into it at all but the oil spec might be partly to blame?? It's just too thin.

            If your car is requesting for 504/507 oil then yes you can use 5w-30 in it no problems. This is what i use in my Audi SQ5 and also used to use in my Mk7 GTI with EA888 Gen3 engine. This is the oil that I use (buy it when its on sale which is quite often) but no matter which brand you prefer, they all offer a 5w-30 in the VW504/507 spec.

            Perhaps have a chat to the VW dealer when you take it in for a service. They might use 5w-30 anyway knowing that 0w-30 isn't really suitable in our climate. Or you can ask if you can provide your own bottle of oil for them to use (i used to do this years ago when I had my Mk6 R) and they give back the bottle with just a little bit left in it. Then you know its got the correct oil in it and you know what brand etc.
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              Originally posted by Lucas_R View Post
              Yes ive heard that they are having issues with the V6 engine in the new Landcruisers - I havent looked into it at all but the oil spec might be partly to blame?? It's just too thin.

              If your car is requesting for 504/507 oil then yes you can use 5w-30 in it no problems. This is what i use in my Audi SQ5 and also used to use in my Mk7 GTI with EA888 Gen3 engine. This is the oil that I use (buy it when its on sale which is quite often) but no matter which brand you prefer, they all offer a 5w-30 in the VW504/507 spec.

              Perhaps have a chat to the VW dealer when you take it in for a service. They might use 5w-30 anyway knowing that 0w-30 isn't really suitable in our climate. Or you can ask if you can provide your own bottle of oil for them to use (i used to do this years ago when I had my Mk6 R) and they give back the bottle with just a little bit left in it. Then you know its got the correct oil in it and you know what brand etc.
              Good idea on checking with the service tech. I did buy a bottle of the Nulon Euro 5W for top-ups. I always used Penrite Enviro+ in my GTI, as it was a very early brand that met VW502 spec at the time.
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              • #8
                Useful info, as the Cupra Leon also has a PPF, so will also look out for the 5W30 Nulon per Lucas_R's link.

                I too don't drive big km, so may not need intermediate changes, but will see what Solitaire says when service time comes.

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                • #9
                  Autobarn have it on sale as a Member price for the Nulon Apex+ EURO 5W-30 that Lucas_R mentioned before

                  Nulon APEX+ is a synthetic premium engine oil formulated to help maintain peak engine performance. Nulon APEX+ with Advanced Fluid Dynamics, dramatically improves engine oil flow efficiency to reduce power-robbing friction and maximise engine performance when you need it. Responding to driving inputs, Nulon APEX+ flows faster at low temperatures and resists extreme pressure, heat and wear of contacting metal surfaces to promote ultimate performance, fuel efficiency and protection in both everyday stop/start and the most demanding driving conditions.Nulon APEX+ 5W-30 EURO engine oil is approved under VW Standard 504 00 and VW Standard 507 00 for Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda and Seat petrol and diesel vehicles within manufacturer warranty periods. It is recommended for use in modern turbocharged, supercharged and normally aspirated diesel and petrol engines that require the highest level of protection and performance and is also suitable for vehicles fitted with Diesel Particulate Filters.Features:Approved for VW 504 00 petrol and 507 00 diesel specificationsSuitable for vehicles fitted with a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF)Enhanced engine protection during recommended long oil drain intervalsMaintains viscosity under high load and temperature conditionsProvides superior cold start protectionPromotes increased fuel efficiencyProvides excellent engine cleanlinessSuperior oxidation control and thermal stabilityNote:Not recommended for heavy-duty diesel engines. Refer to your vehicle service manual for correct lubrication requirements and service intervals.Suitable for use in the following vehicle manufacturers:AudiBMWChryslerFiatJeepMercedesMINIPeugeotPorscheRenaultSeatSkodaVolkswagenMeets or exceeds the following vehicle manufacturer&#39;s specifications:BMW LONGLIFE-04Chrysler MS-11106Fiat 9.55535-S3Mercedes-Benz 229.51/229.52Porsche C30VW 504 00/507 00First Aid and Safety:SafetyAvoid skin contact with used product.If skin contact occurs, wash area thoroughly with soap and water.For advice, contact a Poisons Information Centre:Australia: 13 11 26New Zealand: 0800 764 766Or contact a doctor immediately.EnvironmentDo not pollute drains, soil, or water with used products.After use, dispose of container in a responsible manner.Do not dispose of to landfill.Disposal of container should comply with local council regulations.Part number:&nbsp;APX5W30C3-5


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Michael_B View Post
                    Autobarn have it on sale as a Member price for the Nulon Apex+ EURO 5W-30 that Lucas_R mentioned before

                    Nulon APEX+ is a synthetic premium engine oil formulated to help maintain peak engine performance. Nulon APEX+ with Advanced Fluid Dynamics, dramatically improves engine oil flow efficiency to reduce power-robbing friction and maximise engine performance when you need it. Responding to driving inputs, Nulon APEX+ flows faster at low temperatures and resists extreme pressure, heat and wear of contacting metal surfaces to promote ultimate performance, fuel efficiency and protection in both everyday stop/start and the most demanding driving conditions.Nulon APEX+ 5W-30 EURO engine oil is approved under VW Standard 504 00 and VW Standard 507 00 for Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda and Seat petrol and diesel vehicles within manufacturer warranty periods. It is recommended for use in modern turbocharged, supercharged and normally aspirated diesel and petrol engines that require the highest level of protection and performance and is also suitable for vehicles fitted with Diesel Particulate Filters.Features:Approved for VW 504 00 petrol and 507 00 diesel specificationsSuitable for vehicles fitted with a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF)Enhanced engine protection during recommended long oil drain intervalsMaintains viscosity under high load and temperature conditionsProvides superior cold start protectionPromotes increased fuel efficiencyProvides excellent engine cleanlinessSuperior oxidation control and thermal stabilityNote:Not recommended for heavy-duty diesel engines. Refer to your vehicle service manual for correct lubrication requirements and service intervals.Suitable for use in the following vehicle manufacturers:AudiBMWChryslerFiatJeepMercedesMINIPeugeotPorscheRenaultSeatSkodaVolkswagenMeets or exceeds the following vehicle manufacturer&#39;s specifications:BMW LONGLIFE-04Chrysler MS-11106Fiat 9.55535-S3Mercedes-Benz 229.51/229.52Porsche C30VW 504 00/507 00First Aid and Safety:SafetyAvoid skin contact with used product.If skin contact occurs, wash area thoroughly with soap and water.For advice, contact a Poisons Information Centre:Australia: 13 11 26New Zealand: 0800 764 766Or contact a doctor immediately.EnvironmentDo not pollute drains, soil, or water with used products.After use, dispose of container in a responsible manner.Do not dispose of to landfill.Disposal of container should comply with local council regulations.Part number:&nbsp;APX5W30C3-5


                    Will go and grab me some !!
                    Thats an absolute bargain for $50. I have enough to do my next oil change but might grab another bottle just because its so cheap.
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                    • #11
                      I decided to contact Nulon for their take on whether to use their 5W-30


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                        Thats a shame. In that case, probably just keep using this stuff which is actually pretty reasonably priced Genuine Volkswagen Oil 504/507 Long Life 3 - 5ltrs. 0w-30 - GS55545M4ASA | eBay

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                          Originally posted by gerhard View Post
                          Mine does have a PPF but the oil sticker is 0W-30 504/507. I expect 5W-30 in 504./507 should be OK?
                          It would be worth double-checking whether or not Nulon's response is correct.

                          In addition to specifying a spec (504/507) the user manual typically specifies a range of weights that can be used in different conditions, provided the spec is met.

                          If so, is 5W30 on that list?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by petemac110 View Post
                            It would be worth double-checking whether or not Nulon's response is correct.

                            In addition to specifying a spec (504/507) the user manual typically specifies a range of weights that can be used in different conditions, provided the spec is met.

                            If so, is 5W30 on that list?
                            There is not traditional oil table in the user manual showing different grades/viscosities for different temperatures, severe/no-sever operating like we are accustomed to seeing for our lives up till now

                            From the manual for my vehicle -

                            Paraphrased "Use the oil stated on the sticker, because wrong oil can affect exhaust purification systems, and in the Australian supplement wrong oil can void your warranty."

                            Quote "If you do not have access to engine oil that complies with the prescribed standard, in an emergency you may top up with .5L of the following oils once before the next regular oil change

                            Petrol engines: standards VW504 00 and ACEA C3 ACEA C4 or API SP or ILSAC GF-6A, all viscosity grades of these standards are permitted." end quote.

                            So 1/2 Litre top up allowed. Again this seems to be pretty strict compared to the past engines, but I guess that if a PPF is ruined by using wrong oil and too much short driving it will be an expensive thing to replace.
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                              Originally posted by gerhard View Post
                              There is not traditional oil table in the user manual showing different grades/viscosities for different temperatures, severe/no-sever operating like we are accustomed to seeing for our lives up till now

                              From the manual for my vehicle -

                              Paraphrased "Use the oil stated on the sticker, because wrong oil can affect exhaust purification systems, and in the Australian supplement wrong oil can void your warranty."

                              Quote "If you do not have access to engine oil that complies with the prescribed standard, in an emergency you may top up with .5L of the following oils once before the next regular oil change

                              Petrol engines: standards VW504 00 and ACEA C3 ACEA C4 or API SP or ILSAC GF-6A, all viscosity grades of these standards are permitted." end quote.

                              So 1/2 Litre top up allowed. Again this seems to be pretty strict compared to the past engines, but I guess that if a PPF is ruined by using wrong oil and too much short driving it will be an expensive thing to replace.
                              Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. As you say, definitely strict compared to previous models!

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