Driver Assist Package II - Discussion and Questions

[Kiaorana]

I'd be interested to see if it can be retrofitted. I got a GTI with DAP 2 (2016). I wonder what needs to be added other than the camera on the windscreen

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[DV52]

I'd be interested to see if it can be retrofitted. I got a GTI with DAP 2 (2016). I wonder what needs to be added other than the camera on the windscreen

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Kiaorana: Someone else here asked the very same questions (can't remember who it was now!), and I put together the picture below to answer it. It's not just adding the front camera - some other bits needed (alas). Your ca might already have some of the bits (don't know)

Don

[Kiaorana]

Hi Don, thanks for that mate. I think I have everything already other than the windscreen camera. I'm curious now

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[Mike_lama]

If it doesn't come with the Golf then why is it listed that it does on the Australian website? On the GTI anyway, haven't checked out the rest.

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[Mike_lama]

Well, it actually says blind spot monitor with rear traffic alert. Not sure if that is the same or not?

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[agentthumb]

Drivers Assist Package question?

You do get blind spot and rear cross traffic alert. It's different to lane assist.

Blind spot simply illuminates a little orange icon in your wing mirrors when there is a moving object in your blind spot.

And it beeps at you when you are backing out of a parking spot, and there are cars coming.

Lane assist monitors your position in a lane, and nudges you back in if you start to drift.


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[Mike_lama]

You do get blind spot and rear cross traffic alert. It's different to lane assist.

Blind spot simply illuminates a little orange icon in your wing mirrors when there is a moving object in your blind spot.

And it beeps at you when you are backing out of a parking spot, and there are cars coming.

Lane assist monitors your position in a lane, and nudges you back in if you start to drift.


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Awesome, thank you for clarifying. I just did some research before your comment and realised I was wrong.

Does anyone know why Australian golf's aren't given such technology with the driver assistance package?

[agentthumb]

Drivers Assist Package question?

Awesome, thank you for clarifying. I just did some research before your comment and realised I was wrong.

Does anyone know why Australian golf's aren't given such technology with the driver assistance package?

I've been thinking the same thing. There are a couple of things that may have contributed to their decision:

1. The camera does speed sign recognition as well, but doesn't work with Australian road signs due to the 100km/h signs being displayed at the back of our trucks (allegedly). (Having said that, didn't stop them introducing it in the Passat or Tourag)
2. Cost. Given how much the tech pack costs on the Passat for the full blown system, it's not hard to see why VW might have opted to keep it out of the Golf's Driver Assist to keep it at its $1,500 price point. Which I consider a bargain for what you get. Consider this, a Highline Golf is around $35,000. If the tech pack costs $3,500+ or 10%+ of the car, would most buyers consider it?
3. Equivalent model Audi's have it. So maybe VAG is trying to give the Audi a better edge?

[Mike_lama]

All of your points are valid and could all contribute to the reason.

The biggest one to me is the cost. 1500 for driver assistance is a steal and I would always pay that but if it was 3500 for it all then I certainly would be way more hesitant and it wouldn't be an instant buy like it currently is.

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[Flipper Dog]

I've been thinking the same thing. There are a couple of things that may have contributed to their decision:

1. The camera does speed sign recognition as well, but doesn't work with Australian road signs due to the 100km/h signs being displayed at the back of our trucks (allegedly). (Having said that, didn't stop them introducing it in the Passat or Tourag)
2. Cost. Given how much the tech pack costs on the Passat for the full blown system, it's not hard to see why VW might have opted to keep it out of the Golf's Driver Assist to keep it at its $1,500 price point. Which I consider a bargain for what you get. Consider this, a Highline Golf is around $35,000. If the tech pack costs $3,500+ or 10%+ of the car, would most buyers consider it?
3. Equivalent model Audi's have it. So maybe VAG is trying to give the Audi a better edge?

I have it on my Audi with the front camera. The speed sign recognition is not active which is annoying as the ROW has it. However with the Golf's satnav displaying speed limits on the maps this is better than what the Audi has (nothing).
The other problem we have in Australia is multi speed displays (truck limits, weather condition limits etc) confuses the heck out of the system.
As for the lane assist also annoying as it will pick up shadows sometimes which may look like road lines and if you approach a lane too closely you lose some steering feedback. I hardly use that feature now unless highway driving with cruise in nana mode.

[Dutch77]

I am guessing it depends which version of the MMI you're running - the S3 definitely does have the speed limit displayed in the nav screen.

But I am with you otherwise on lane assist, I have not really utilised it (and not been on many highways where it would hold much value).

[AdamD]

I am guessing it depends which version of the MMI you're running - the S3 definitely does have the speed limit displayed in the nav screen.

That's just the speed limit stored in the navigation maps, not the street sign recognition which uses the assistance package camera. It's disabled in Australia although I've enabled it briefly with VCDS to give it a go (quite the convoluted procedure too); it's a cool feature (displays the speed sign in the MFD) but it's certainly not perfect. Shame that we don't get the choice to enable it in the MMI, however.

[Dutch77]

Agreed - I may have misunderstood Flipper Dog OR the Q3 at some point had a satnav that did not show stored data.

I know the speed limits coming up on my screen are stored, for the most part it is fairly accurate although over time I am sure it will fall away without regular updates as idiot anti-car Governments like Jay Ditherall's current cronies keep dropping speed limits and deliberately make driving hard.. which is ironic given all they are doing is adding to carbon pollution if you are into that stuff.

But I digress..

[mattchuu]

DAP II "Foot on brake" emergency warning

Hi All,


I use ACC a lot, it's proven to be very predictable - however, i had an interesting experience in light traffic at 60kph - i was about 50m behind a left turning car which was slowly clearing my lane, there would have been about 8-10 seconds until a collision (if the car wasn't turning, and if we failed to slow) so it was a long way off.

The frontal collision warning sounded, the instrument cluster showed the foot brake symbol and requested "APPLY FOOT BRAKE IMMEDIATELY", which i did as soon as i heard the warning sound.

the car turned and cleared the radar beam with about 5s to spare, the warning went off and ACC remained activated after i released the brake pedal - which was very unexpected.

has anyone else seen "APPLY FOOT BRAKE IMMEDIATELY"?

It was a very unexpected response given how far away the car was, i think it must have concluded that i was steering us into a stationary object (which i haven't tried yet) it must have been unable to determine what the situation was and that i needed to decide if there was a hazard ahead?

[agentthumb]

DAP II "Foot on brake" emergency warning

I've seen it once, in a very similar situation to what you described.

Cruising along at 60km, slide curve to the left. Car in front gets into the right turning lane to turn right, and I got the "Apply Foot Brake" warning. Obviously given the curvature in the road and the position of the car turning right, the radar thought I was going to rear-end it. (I think this is the limitation of our Australian Golf system where lane-assist camera is not part of the package*.)

I touched the brake and continued around the bend without issue. ACC did deactivate, so I had to hit "RES" on the steering wheel.

I thought about it at the time, and believed had the car not be turning and we were actually on collision course, then the warning would give me sufficient time to stop the car. However, if I failed to do that, it would give ACC sufficient time to sound the proper collision alert tone, then apply the pre-brake jolt, and failing that, it would apply full brake. I think the "Apply foot brake" is just a prevention message to avoid full emergency braking.

*ACC with lane-assist takes emergency braking up to 60km/h from 30km/h, and increases the maximum speed ACC can operate at (up to 230km/h if memory serves me right). It also increases maximum braking from 3m/s to up to 6m/s if I remembered correctly. I'm also assuming it improves lane recognition to reduce false warning from cars slowing in other lanes.


Edit: just did some reading, ACC and Front Assist operates independently. (Tho they share the same components.)

So it sounds like the "Foot on brake" is a function of ACC to let you know there is something happening that is outside the "safe" parameter of ACC.

If you fail to take control, and depending on the situation, Front Assist may then detect a potential collision and sound it's alarm, followed by a jolt, followed by braking etc.