Mk7 Golf GTI Discussion Thread

[newconvert]

A focus St isn't 10K less. Focus ST is 42.5K on road.

Just for laughs I popped into my Ford dealer (I'm currently in an XR5) and I can get a new ST Focus for well under $40K driveaway.

This Gti was to be the car to finally get me to upgrade to Euro premium hot hatches. I'm not a fan of the new Focus ST having driven it and lots of competitors. But if the Gti comes in about 10% above Mk6 prices it's way out of the ballpark. Shame. Dealer almost had me putting down a deposit till I read that article. I know it's just a "leak" at this stage, but they seem very confident about the numbers and they're very precise.

The argument for higher spec = higher cost is pretty lame. Every new model gets more gear as technology gets cheaper. Just about everything has sat nav these days, Xenons are not that special anymore and a surprising number of similar vehicles can give you adjustable dampers.

Instead, I just drove a Fiesta ST (don't laugh) and bang for bucks it's one of the best cars I've driven in a long time.

Come-on VW - gives us a good price!

[alebonau]

Volkswagen Golf GTI: price hike but more gear for Mk7 |Â*CarAdvice

Woahhhh, say it ain't so VW!

is there really any surprise. the mk6 gti I bought was a $50k plus prospect on the road and that wasnt fully loaded or anything. cant compare mk6 run out pricing. exchange rates are going up too.

time will tell though....

[readerr0r]

Just for laughs I popped into my Ford dealer (I'm currently in an XR5) and I can get a new ST Focus for well under $40K driveaway.

This Gti was to be the car to finally get me to upgrade to Euro premium hot hatches. I'm not a fan of the new Focus ST having driven it and lots of competitors. But if the Gti comes in about 10% above Mk6 prices it's way out of the ballpark. Shame. Dealer almost had me putting down a deposit till I read that article. I know it's just a "leak" at this stage, but they seem very confident about the numbers and they're very precise.

The argument for higher spec = higher cost is pretty lame. Every new model gets more gear as technology gets cheaper. Just about everything has sat nav these days, Xenons are not that special anymore and a surprising number of similar vehicles can give you adjustable dampers.

Instead, I just drove a Fiesta ST (don't laugh) and bang for bucks it's one of the best cars I've driven in a long time.

Come-on VW - gives us a good price!

But the XR5 and Focus ST are already euro hot hatches though, they're both designed and built in Germany (though the ST had a lot of US input)

[pologti18t]

Just for laughs I popped into my Ford dealer (I'm currently in an XR5) and I can get a new ST Focus for well under $40K driveaway.

Stop comparing RRP prices with "what i can get at a dealer for a different brand". I don't see the logic in that argument at all.
The reason you can get good deals on Focus ST is that really people aren't buying them. Otherwise discounting would not be available.

If you can't afford a GTI that costs maybe $3000 more than the outgoing model (RRP) then get the Focus ST! Then again you don't regard the ST as a premium euro hatch judging by your comments.

The argument for higher spec = higher cost is pretty lame. Every new model gets more gear as technology gets cheaper. Just about everything has sat nav these days, Xenons are not that special anymore and a surprising number of similar vehicles can give you adjustable dampers.

Not sure the A250 has sat nav as standard or adjustable dampers. Then RS265 has none of those items as standard. You are just trying to diminish the "worth" of those items to suit your argument.
Would you buy a MK7 GTI if it came with no sat nav, no ACC, no 18 inch wheels and no reversing camera for the same RRP as the outgoing MK6?

[newconvert]

Stop comparing RRP prices with "what i can get at a dealer for a different brand". I don't see the logic in that argument at all.
The reason you can get good deals on Focus ST is that really people aren't buying them. Otherwise discounting would not be available.

If you can't afford a GTI that costs maybe $3000 more than the outgoing model (RRP) then get the Focus ST! Then again you don't regard the ST as a premium euro hatch judging by your comments.


Not sure the A250 has sat nav as standard or adjustable dampers. Then RS265 has none of those items as standard. You are just trying to diminish the "worth" of those items to suit your argument.
Would you buy a MK7 GTI if it came with no sat nav, no ACC, no 18 inch wheels and no reversing camera for the same RRP as the outgoing MK6?[/I][/COLOR]

Wow - plenty of passion in these posts! Not sure if I've committed a fatal newbie error by referencing another brand.
Yep both Focus models are produced in Europe, but I get the feeling most people on this forum have the same impression as I do, that there is a real sense the VW offerings are more "premium" for want of a better word. It's hard to quantify, but there is a sense of depth of engineering that seems to go beyond some other marques.

I'm not making a simplistic argument of price with the comparisons above. In the real world of people buying cars from dealers, not just speculating on what we'd like, it does come down to what price you can get a car for. It's clear VW's prices stay firmer than other brands, so it is more realistic to compare the VW price with a seemingly discounted Ford price, as you never really pay the Ford list price.

Thanks also for the condescending comment about what I can afford or not. I expect that the Golf will prove a better car, but sooner or later value for money starts to be a consideration for most people. I would like to buy the Golf and have already decided the Focus is not for me. I've loved my XR5 and felt the Golf would be a justifiable step up, but that step is looking bigger and bigger.

I also fail to see how I'm diminishing the "worth" of items now standard on the Golf to suit my "argument". I wasn't really making an argument, just expressing disappointment that prices seem to be rising.

You are right - I would not buy a Mk7 if it came with the same spec as the Mk6 for the same price. No-one would - that would be ludicrous given the progress/price changes in all these items over the lifespan of a car.
You simply cannot argue that a new car should cost significantly more than it's predecessor because it has some new features.

[Finance_Analyst]

Sure and yes 18 in rims, but we still don't know the price! The options listed all up come to between $7,500 and $8,000, metallic paint $450. A fully loaded GTI will probbaly have a rrp of between $48,000 and $49,00. There will be no discounts for the first few months.

Why the hell pay $450 for metallic paint? Get a flat colour like white or red and save the $$$. When coming to sell, it makes no difference. The red and white were the most popular colours in the Mk6 so looks like most have woken up to this fact

[jdbrown1953]

Why the hell pay $450 for metallic paint? Get a flat colour like white or red and save the $$$. When coming to sell, it makes no difference. The red and white were the most popular colours in the Mk6 so looks like most have woken up to this fact

I agree

[Alex31]

Mk7 Golf GTI Discussion Thread

Why the hell pay $450 for metallic paint? Get a flat colour like white or red and save the $$$. When coming to sell, it makes no difference. The red and white were the most popular colours in the Mk6 so looks like most have woken up to this fact

Because every time you walk over to your car it dose not look as nice as it could be. IMHO I think the limestone grey looks the part and am happy to fork out the $450+ for it. After all I have to look at it for the next 3-5 years

[pologti18t]

I also fail to see how I'm diminishing the "worth" of items now standard on the Golf to suit my "argument". I wasn't really making an argument, just expressing disappointment that prices seem to be rising.

Get used to it as the AUD drops against the AUD and Euro. Manufacturers can't keep developing new chassis. engines etc and not raise the price at some stage. Even ford raised the price of the ST over the previous XR5.

Conversely, the price of the GTI has been pretty stable in this country for 5+yrs.

[DoggieHowser]

Mk7 Golf GTI Discussion Thread

Get used to it as the AUD drops against the AUD and Euro. Manufacturers can't keep developing new chassis. engines etc and not raise the price at some stage. Even ford raised the price of the ST over the previous XR5.

Conversely, the price of the GTI has been pretty stable in this country for 5+yrs.

So where was the price drop on the Mk6 when the AUD was sailing high against said currencies.

Also it also begs the question: how do Merc BMW and Audi get to lower prices then?


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[MIRSAD]

Get used to it as the AUD drops against the AUD and Euro. Manufacturers can't keep developing new chassis. engines etc and not raise the price at some stage. Even ford raised the price of the ST over the previous XR5.

Conversely, the price of the GTI has been pretty stable in this country for 5+yrs.

Australian$ exchange rate is actually better today than it was in 2009 when MK6 GTI wasreleased – and that is when contract between VWA and VW AG are sighned. – beginningof the supply cicly.

[WhiteJames]

My 2010 5 door Golf GTI (DSG) with:

DCC
Bi Xenons
Park Assist (f & r sensors)
Window Tint
18" Wheels
MDI + cable

, cost me 50K exactly. So prices have not really gone up at all given the level of standard equipment on the Golf 7 GTI. Having said that, most dealers usually negotiate downwards by around 7-10% of rrp depending on spec level, so there could be room for further discounting. I guess the PP GTI adds another 1.5 - 2.0K to the list price, making the Golf 7 GTI not so cheap compared to other hot-hatches or premium hatches for that matter. Esp. when VW have failed to rid the Golf from turbo waste-gate rattles or interior plastic squeaks. I thought VW Aus would've kept the DCC damper option as std kit for the PP GTI only with passive dampers for the std GTI to keep the price down on the std model only, with a greater premium added to the PP GTI than just only the LSD & larger diameter front brakes (both of which add weight btw (32kgs)). I guess having a narrow option list & price band adds in favour to plenty of stock availability for customers that are shopping in newly created higher price range of the Golf 7 GTI.

Regards
WJ

[alebonau]

any importer has to set price hedging on what might be nominal exchange rate over life cycle of a new model. as per the previous poster can see what goes up must come down and tends to average out someplace in-between which is what they hedge on. they cant bump prices up and down with exchange rate tends to spook buyers and existing owners and does nothing for resale which is a factor for a lot of people.

I wouldnt get too stressed re price till actually formally anounced till then its just second guessing and going on rumours press articles etc

[Ryan_R]

I guess a some of us were expecting a cheaper GTI due to certain posts by Golf7 and also the cheaper Audi S3. If a GTI PE is ~50k and an S3 is is 59k, then where does the R fit in. The obvious answer would be in the middle but maybe not this time. The S3 only has one optional package for $5k, so maybe the R will come with loads of stuff as standard and try to justify a price tag about the same as the S3. If it has the Discover Pro there won't be much to separate the cars besides perceived brand value.

[readerr0r]

I guess a some of us were expecting a cheaper GTI due to certain posts by Golf7 and also the cheaper Audi S3. If a GTI PE is ~50k and an S3 is is 59k, then where does the R fit in. The obvious answer would be in the middle but maybe not this time. The S3 only has one optional package for $5k, so maybe the R will come with loads of stuff as standard and try to justify a price tag about the same as the S3. If it has the Discover Pro there won't be much to separate the cars besides perceived brand value.

Very little space for the Rocco R too ($48K Man, 50.5K DSG w/o orc), but I guess it can co-exsist with no GTI 3dr

Discover pro isn't available yet but I think it'll sneak in as a MY change in a year or two