Mk7 Golf GTI Discussion Thread

[irossiter]

I think you'll find that the new 103TSI does not have a "twin" super and turbocharged motor now, being turbo only and the 7 speed DSG is also different to the supposedly troublesome one. I think it's a very nice package.

[Ryan_R]

Yes the Mk7 103TSI DSG drives nothing like my Mk6 118TSI DSG

[Diesel_vert]

Went to check the new GTI out this arvo. Is it just me, or is everyone else wondering where the extra nearly 15k over a 103TSI is going?

It depends on what you want or need from a car.



Generally speaking, there are much bigger profit margins to be had for higher-trim or sporty models (compared to lower-trim or base models) for vehicle manufacturers.

In addition, you always sell at the what the market is prepared to spend - in this case, for a C-segment hot hatch in Australia, it's usually $40k and upwards.

However, there are some big-ticket items that would actually cost more to make or purchase (compared to the 103TSI Highline) for the manufacturer, which include:

- 2.0 L engine
- 6 speed DSG (wet clutch)
- 18" wheels & tyres
- Electronically controlled dampers (Adaptive Chassis Control)
- Variable ratio steering rack (Progressive Steering)

The Performance Package adds 17" front & rear disc brakes and a Haldex limited-slip differential (plus other stuff).



In terms of performance, hot hatches have traditionally been very good value for money compared to the equivalent sports car - a lot of bang for your buck, so the saying goes.

If you consider how much you'd need to spend on a traditional sports car in order to reach the performance level that a modern hot hatch offers, the amount of value they offer should become easily apparent.

However, if performance is not really a priority nor desired, it goes without saying that a normal hatch will offer superior value. Again, it all comes down to your own requirements.

[Tobes_WIR35]

It depends on what you want or need from a car.



Generally speaking, there are much bigger profit margins to be had for higher-trim or sporty models (compared to lower-trim or base models) for vehicle manufacturers.

In addition, you always sell at the what the market is prepared to spend - in this case, for a C-segment hot hatch in Australia, it's usually $40k and upwards.

However, there are some big-ticket items that would actually cost more to make or purchase (compared to the 103TSI Highline) for the manufacturer, which include:

- 2.0 L engine
- 6 speed DSG (wet clutch)
- 18" wheels & tyres
- Electronically controlled dampers (Adaptive Chassis Control)
- Variable ratio steering rack (Progressive Steering)

The Performance Package adds 17" front & rear disc brakes and a Haldex limited-slip differential (plus other stuff).



In terms of performance, hot hatches have traditionally been very good value for money compared to the equivalent sports car - a lot of bang for your buck, so the saying goes.

If you consider how much you'd need to spend on a traditional sports car in order to reach the performance level that a modern hot hatch offers, the amount of value they offer should become easily apparent.

However, if performance is not really a priority nor desired, it goes without saying that a normal hatch will offer superior value. Again, it all comes down to your own requirements.

I think I can summarize this in one sentence:

If you can't appreciate the cost difference between a 103TSI and a GTI, then you should, without question, buy the 103TSI.

[vk6tnc]

Heading to the big city tomorrow (well Perth anyway) to see if my 200cm/6'7" frame will fit in a GTI ???

[jacs]

Anyone know for sure if the current Mk7 GTI donk has a timing chain (as the Mk6), or a rubber belt ?

[Mountainman]

Not sure if posted before... Wheels Nov has a road test of the GTI (DSG) = 9/10

0-100km/h 6.4 sec
0-400m 14.5sec @ 163 km/h

Just for comparison... they compared the Fiesta ST/208GTI/Fabia vRS/Swift

208Gti is seriously fast - 0-100 6.6 sec, 0-400m 14.8sec@153km/h

Interesting.... so the Mk7 GTI is faster than the Mk6 but not by much considering an extra 7kW, 70Nm and about 55kg less weight. "Wheels" tested the Mk6 GTI DSG in March 2011 achieving a 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec @ 156km/h.
And back in 2004 they tested a 1460kg 155kW 4 speed auto Subaru Forester XT at 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec also but back in those days had 2 people in the car where now they only have the driver.

[nat225]

To stretch it further, i cant see where the extra $200k+ goes to comparing my GTI to a GT3. I can obviously see the letter 'I'gets upgraded to a '3'.

Both have wheels, tyres, an engine; and can take me from pit to finish line with smiles.

GTI smile

GT3 smile

Went to check the new GTI out this arvo. Is it just me, or is everyone else wondering where the extra nearly 15k over a 103TSI is going?

[nat225]

U need to also compare the drivability around town, power delivery curve, turbo lag and stuffs.

Else we will all be driving old HSV V8 with massive power and torque to brag on 0-100 & 400m & traffic light grand prix daily achievements or a 9 yr old Subaru awd turbo.

Interesting.... so the Mk7 GTI is faster than the Mk6 but not by much considering an extra 7kW, 70Nm and about 55kg less weight. "Wheels" tested the Mk6 GTI DSG in March 2011 achieving a 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec @ 156km/h.
And back in 2004 they tested a 1460kg 155kW 4 speed auto Subaru Forester XT at 0-100 in 6.6 sec and 0-400m in 14.8 sec also but back in those days had 2 people in the car where now they only have the driver.

[readerr0r]

Heading to the big city tomorrow (well Perth anyway) to see if my 200cm/6'7" frame will fit in a GTI ???

I'm the same height, you will fit fine but you may find the B pillar really annoying to look around, 5dr golf has poorer visibility than a 3dr polo

Don't order the sunroof either (on any car), but I'm sure you knew that .

[Mountainman]

U need to also compare the drivability around town, power delivery curve, turbo lag and stuffs.

No I don't.

My comment was only responding to the performance figures given by pologti18t noting that the 208GTi, Mk6 Golf GTI and Subaru Forester XT all achieved identical 0-100 & 0-400m times when tested by Wheels - and that the Mk7 Golf GTI was quicker (as you'd expect). it wasn't a criticism of the Mk7 Golf. Gawd... I'm an owner of one and a real fan

[pologti18t]

Went to check the new GTI out this arvo. Is it just me, or is everyone else wondering where the extra nearly 15k over a 103TSI is going?

$15K... please explain? 103TSI is 32K + ORC

[readerr0r]

$15K... please explain? 103TSI is 32K + ORC

Because 103tsi is part of the drive away deals whereas the GTI isn't

QLD Full retail at the moment
103TSI DSG: $35,490
GTI DSG: $49,142

So the difference is 13.6K

[vk6tnc]

I'm the same height, you will fit fine but you may find the B pillar really annoying to look around, 5dr golf has poorer visibility than a 3dr polo

Don't order the sunroof either (on any car), but I'm sure you knew that .

Well I fit. Had 2 inches to spare in a GTI with sunroof !!! Unfortunately all available cars are optioned with leather as well looks like a Feb/Mar wait....

[Matt P]

Well I fit. Had 2 inches to spare in a GTI with sunroof !!! Unfortunately all available cars are optioned with leather as well looks like a Feb/Mar wait....

welcome to the club

this is basically what i'm waiting for 2013 Volkswagen Golf 7 GTI MY14 Direct-Shift Gearbox Cars For Sale in VIC - CarPoint Australia but my dealer didn't get one in that spec.