Mk7 Golf R Discussion Thread

[mfl]

Mickey. How can anyone stay away from belligerent dealers if people don't talk turkey on a forum? How much did you pay and where from champ?

+1 , how else do we get a idea what the ball park figure might be, yes statutory charges vary and dealers will play games with your trade in, but at least you get a rough idea.

[Longy]

+1 , how else do we get a idea what the ball park figure might be, yes statutory charges vary and dealers will play games with your trade in, but at least you get a rough idea.

So greatful that forums like these exist, it definitely does help when it comes time to negotiating your own deal when you have some ideas what others had paid for their cars with similar specs, yes rego and other charges might vary between states, but not normally by thousands, so having a ball park figure is a better start then with MRP.

[Mikey1]

Mickey. How can anyone stay away from belligerent dealers if people don't talk turkey on a forum? How much did you pay and where from champ?

+1 , how else do we get a idea what the ball park figure might be, yes statutory charges vary and dealers will play games with your trade in, but at least you get a rough idea.

So greatful that forums like these exist, it definitely does help when it comes time to negotiating your own deal when you have some ideas what others had paid for their cars with similar specs, yes rego and other charges might vary between states, but not normally by thousands, so having a ball park figure is a better start then with MRP.

As I have mentioned in a previous post when asked the same question, my circumstances will be different to others, so quoting what I paid will not be helpful. However, for Melbourne forum members who want to know where they can find a sales department that is prepared to listen and negotiate, go to South Yarra Volkswagen and ask to speak to Thomas and/or the sales manager, Stuart Orr. They are both great to deal with.

mfl and others, if possible, never include a trade-in with your negotiations, unless you have a car with a serious problem. You will never get more than its wholesale value, whatever you are told. Any discount you receive will either come off the new vehicle or be added to the trade-in valuation. You won't get both, unless the combined figure adds up to what you would have got in the first place. Sell your car privately to minimise your losses.

[ZMan]

Sell your car privately to minimise your losses.

+1

We got an extra $4k through private sale compared to what a dealer was offering. If you're prepared to put up with a little extra hassle of prepping, advertising and possibly running to the bank with wads of cash then it's definitely worth it.

[lawsy82]

+1

We got an extra $4k through private sale compared to what a dealer was offering. If you're prepared to put up with a little extra hassle of prepping, advertising and possibly running to the bank with wads of cash then it's definitely worth it.

If it helps anyone- I got my white R, DSG and fully optioned for $60,700 on the road. In stock and told a 3 week wait.
Not sure how this compares to everyone else

[Dutch77]

+1

We got an extra $4k through private sale compared to what a dealer was offering. If you're prepared to put up with a little extra hassle of prepping, advertising and possibly running to the bank with wads of cash then it's definitely worth it.

I'd need at least that to be bothered, however. I know everyone's different, and if it is a cheap car no problem, but not a fan of dealing with large sums of cash and/or hoping a transfer will work; plus the hassles of finding a mutual meet point - no chance I'm inviting strangers over to tyre kick, particularly if something sours one week after purchase. I can look after myself, but family is a different thing.

FWIW I couldn't get any nibbles on my GTI last year, much less a decent gain over wholesale; didn't bother with the Polo as I didn't have time and private sales of similar vehicles were only being advertised a couple of $k up wholesale.

Happy to admit I'm slack in that regard, I guess I just push as hard as I can on the change-over and leave it at that.

[Blabba]

I have always found it worthwhile to sell privately.
Just sold mine yesterday in anticipation of my R on Wednesday.
Dealer offered 19k as a trade in and I got 26k privately.
Well worthwhile.

[DrK]

I have always found it worthwhile to sell privately.
Just sold mine yesterday in anticipation of my R on Wednesday.
Dealer offered 19k as a trade in and I got 26k privately.
Well worthwhile.

Same. Dealer offered $33k. Privately got $41k.

[Dutch77]

^ These are good outcomes, if I had those kinds of variances in my case I would definitely at least attempt a private sale!

In my case the gap was nowhere near that, in fact on the GTI it was almost negligible - given I found out what the dealer tried to sell it for, and assuming someone knocked it down to at least a 'round' amount the gap was under $2k. Not worth it in my books given the points I made above, which also ignores my time value as well.

Every case is different tho, and while I am lazy I fully acknowledge that in most instances there is a gain to be had by going private.

[Mikey1]

^ These are good outcomes, if I had those kinds of variances in my case I would definitely at least attempt a private sale!

In my case the gap was nowhere near that, in fact on the GTI it was almost negligible - given I found out what the dealer tried to sell it for, and assuming someone knocked it down to at least a 'round' amount the gap was under $2k. Not worth it in my books given the points I made above, which also ignores my time value as well.

Every case is different tho, and while I am lazy I fully acknowledge that in most instances there is a gain to be had by going private.

Selling privately is not a one size fits all proposition. At least you looked into it and decided it wasn't a good fit for your particular circumstances. Also, there are people who have no idea or interest in selling privately and will simply purchase their next car on a changeover basis. My father-in-law is one of them.

[Dutch77]

Selling privately is not a one size fits all proposition. At least you looked into it and decided it wasn't a good fit for your particular circumstances. Also, there are people who have no idea or interest in selling privately and will simply purchase their next car on a changeover basis. My father-in-law is one of them.

Agreed, that's why I added the last comment. I'm lazy to a point - but if there was enough to make it worthwhile I would look into it.

It's also worth pointing out that different dealers can try to con you with their thoughts on wholesale value. When I let the GTI go, one non-VW dealer tried to tell me wholesale was a figure $7k less than what it really was - and then tried to tell me I could finance that at stuff all per week (ignoring the fact I had already stated I was a cash buyer). It's kinda fun dealing with these sorts of sales people at times.

Finally it's fair to say if someone forked out $41k for a Mk6 R then the market has recovered quite a lot since last year (no offence DrK to your car btw). I was trying to sell when the media beat-up was on and I don't think I could have given away the GTI at one point there.

[Disciple]

Can you please elaborate? As a professional detailer, is this issue something that is typical of the marque?

Hey Mikey,

Seems an exception rather than the rule. Detailer buddy of mine took paint measurements on another MK 7 Golf R in the Lapiz Blue colour and measured 110-130 microns across the whole car. The one I did measured 75-100 microns.

For further reference, our Polo GTi still has 100+ microns across all panels and it's been compounded twice.

[Bigboboz]

What's being measured? Colour? Paint thickness? You've got me curious, though may be one of those ignorance is bliss issues...

[Disciple]

What's being measured? Colour? Paint thickness? You've got me curious, though may be one of those ignorance is bliss issues...

Sorry, paint thickness. The gauge measures from bare metal to sensor.



That's a measurement from the bonnet of the Golf R.

[Rogue wolf]

Dutch77 think you will find the reason you didn't have much interest in your gti, is because you modified the car apr2, down pipes, springs etc once you do that you lose majority of the market & targeting only particular buyers that want those changes, as everyone else will view it as a thrashed car, if it was a stock car with factory extras & priced well, it would sell much faster, see it all the time watching gti/r for sale, end of the day it's all about price/Km's/factory options, so many dreamers out there with unrealistic prices then the new sellers come in & copy there prices & all sit there for months until they get it, funny to watch lol