Mk7 Golf R Discussion Thread

[Mikey1]

These UK guys are driving me nuts. After complaining about the exhaust noise, now they're saying you can't heel and toe in the manual Mk 7 R! I'm not sure if anyone out here has a manual yet but please check on this if you do.

I suspect none of them know what they are on about because the same naysayers also state you can't do heel toe in a Mk 6 which is absolute bull****. I do it multiple times every day.

Edit: I've looked elsewhere and found some Mk 7 owners who can actually drive confirm heel toe is still possible. Panic averted. Clearly some people just can't drive and should stick to DSG. Not that there's anything wrong with DSG before I get flamed or accused of starting another forum war.

Unlike the Mk5 and Mk6, which have floor hinged accelerator pedals, the Mk7 is top hinged and sits about 12cm above the floor. Heel and toe operation is therefore more difficult, but not impossible.

[TJG]

Some guys on the UK forums are complaining about the 'drone' their R makes on a trailing throttle. Some are getting extra resonators fitted to try to tame it. None of the complainers seem to have owned a Mk 6 prior to getting the Mk 7.

Anyone here had a Mk 6 R and find their Mk 7 droney?

I strongly suspect it's a design feature but they won't listen lol.

I had a MK6 and now have a MK7 R.

The MK6 did not drone (if it did I never noticed it). The MK7 does drone - especially under load at low revs. Leave it in sixth at 50-55kph going up a hill you'll see what I mean.

Doesn't matter what driving mode your in, so I don't think it has anything to do with exhaust flaps. I have "soundaktor" volume on 30%, so I don't think it has anything to do with that. Just sounds like good old fashioned exhaust drone.

Don't think it's a design feature, but the car wasn't designed for driving "Miss Daisy" so I don't think a "quiet and refined" ride was a key design concept.

Is it bad - No.

It is very easily corrected by selecting a more appropriate gear and then it just sounds good

[Benz]

Some guys on the UK forums are complaining about the 'drone' their R makes on a trailing throttle. Some are getting extra resonators fitted to try to tame it. None of the complainers seem to have owned a Mk 6 prior to getting the Mk 7.

Anyone here had a Mk 6 R and find their Mk 7 droney?

I strongly suspect it's a design feature but they won't listen lol.

Firstly, are you aware that drone and exhaust noise are different? Drone is actually a resonance or in this case to be more specific a cabin vibration which assuming your hearing is OK can be fairly distressing to some listeners. A good tuned exhaust note is inspiring, a drone is just plain annoying and for certain is NOT designed into a cars DNA. In fact the main reason IMO that the 7R has the exhaust valves installed is to alleviate this drone whilst allowing the exhaust note to be louder and nicer at other speeds.

The drone we talk about by its nature is a low frequency 40 - 50 Hz (1200 -1600rpm) trailing throttle or under load up a hill and is caused by low gas flow through the exhaust - so the idea of the valves is that under those situations, where gas flow is low you reduce the exhaust volume i.e. close the 2 outer pipes, gas flow increases and the drone goes away.

This problem seems to be specific to the detuned cars in Australia, Japan and S Africa as far as I can tell. The valve control is done from the ECU, so have the valve position parameters been altered inadvertently during the detune? If so it may well be that a small adjustment to the engine control program would fix it.

To my knowledge there is only one guy on the UK forums (and he is from Melbourne) who has added a hotdog glass filled resonator with some success as he claims the drone is reduced by about 15 - 20% and interestingly the exhaust volume has increased in the cab.

[nat225]

Buy a lexus ct200h, no noise no drone no unhappy drivers

It is also like people who want super grippy tyres but with coopeer tyres 80,000km mileage and prius tyres noise level.

[jonoz]

Back onto the automatic dipping when reversing, I am assuming that you only flick the adjustment knob to "L" and have the car in Reverse with the park brake on to adjust the reversing position.

Beyond that, if you have the mirrors setting enabled to automatic dipping when reversing the adjust knob can be left on the dot setting?

Ok reading the other thread looks like it needs to goto "L".

Found this also;

[Benz]

Buy a lexus ct200h, no noise no drone no unhappy drivers

It is also like people who want super grippy tyres but with coopeer tyres 80,000km mileage and prius tyres noise level.

No you have it all wrong. I for one absolutely love my R and wouldn't give it up for anything - easily the best car I have ever owned.
Love the exhaust note but hate the cabin drone which happens when slowing to an intersection using engine braking.
It is an amazing car in every way with the edge taken of by a stupid bit of programming.

[Benz]

Yes leave it on the "L" and it will work fine.

[sergioscirocco]

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[jonoz]

Not sure if an "R" thing of just a VW thing but just curious if anyone else got a free gift for a "$1200" experience with Verve Portraits in the mail?

[team_v]

Not sure if an "R" thing of just a VW thing but just curious if anyone else got a free gift for a "$1200" experience with Verve Portraits in the mail?

Everyone gets them.
Not transferable to a photoshoot of the car, just some stupid portraiture thing.

[Scratchyratface]

urghhhh, are they still giving that rubbish away? I would have preferred $1200 of free fuel :p

[kimba1145]

Firstly, are you aware that drone and exhaust noise are different? Drone is actually a resonance or in this case to be more specific a cabin vibration which assuming your hearing is OK can be fairly distressing to some listeners. A good tuned exhaust note is inspiring, a drone is just plain annoying and for certain is NOT designed into a cars DNA. In fact the main reason IMO that the 7R has the exhaust valves installed is to alleviate this drone whilst allowing the exhaust note to be louder and nicer at other speeds.

The drone we talk about by its nature is a low frequency 40 - 50 Hz (1200 -1600rpm) trailing throttle or under load up a hill and is caused by low gas flow through the exhaust - so the idea of the valves is that under those situations, where gas flow is low you reduce the exhaust volume i.e. close the 2 outer pipes, gas flow increases and the drone goes away.

This problem seems to be specific to the detuned cars in Australia, Japan and S Africa as far as I can tell. The valve control is done from the ECU, so have the valve position parameters been altered inadvertently during the detune? If so it may well be that a small adjustment to the engine control program would fix it.

To my knowledge there is only one guy on the UK forums (and he is from Melbourne) who has added a hotdog glass filled resonator with some success as he claims the drone is reduced by about 15 - 20% and interestingly the exhaust volume has increased in the cab.

Hi team, I'm the guy who added the resonator and it has made a small difference. However Car is going back to dealer in two weeks time. I think the detuned ecu has messed with the flapper switches but vw Australia are impossible to deal with so I don't expect a fix. Perhaps somebody out there with a good knowledge of vcds could help us with code changes. Noel


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[jonoz]

However Car is going back to dealer in two weeks time. I think the detuned ecu has messed with the flapper switches but vw Australia are impossible to deal with so I don't expect a fix.

Hey mate, are you taking the car back specifically for the "drone"?

My rear passenger window motor has died and is due for replacement, both rear doors make a bad squeaking noise from the rubber seal rubbing on the body when opened/close and there is a rattle in the front passenger-side door. Just curious if those are all valid complaints for a near $70k RRP vehicle to make?

I am also a little concerned about fitting a Milltek cat-back exhaust next week sometime as I feel the passenger-side door rattle is caused by the exhaust note at low RPMs and hope that the aftermarket exhaust does not exacerbate the issue and go through the process of taking the exhaust on and off...

[kimba1145]

Hey mate,

Are you taking the car back specifically for the "drone"?

My rear passenger window motor has died and is due for replacement, both rear doors make a bad squeaking noise from the rubber seal rubbing on the body when opened/close and there is a rattle in the front passenger-side door. Just curious if those are all valid complaints for a near $70k RRP vehicle to make?

I am also a little concerned about fitting a Milltek cat-back exhaust next week sometime as I feel the passenger-side door rattle is caused by the exhaust note at low RPMs and hope that the aftermarket exhaust does not exacerbate the issue and go through the process of taking the exhaust on and off...

Yes it's for the drone, but I can imagine the loudness could cause vibration related rattles. Eg my boot lid buzzes when off throttle when the drone is at its worst. Have you found an after market exhaust that takes car of the flaps on/off?


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[jonoz]

Have you found an after market exhaust that takes car of the flaps on/off?

As far as I could tell the Milltek is a direct replacement already prefitted with butterfly valves and motors.

ETA is Wednesday so will confirm asap.