Advice on buying Mk7 GTI/R vs 7.5 110tsi

[Tabby]

I was hoping to get some advice on buying a 2016-2017 GTI or R for around 30K vs a 2018 110tsi for 20K. I would be looking for <100k km, preferably <80k.

A deciding factor for me is that I'll likely be moving overseas in 1 to 1.5 years, so resell is very important. From watching carsales the last few weeks it looks like the turnover on 110tsi's is faster, and easier to drop a bit below the narrow price range to sell.

Obviously I would prefer an R, but the higher fuel efficiency and inclusion of features like keyless start/folding mirrors on a highline are nice for the price. I won't be commuting daily with it, mostly a combination of short and long weekends away and shopping.

Also, what are the current thoughts about the Mk7.5 TSI DSG? I.e. if getting it checked by a mechanic now, do I need to worry about it failing within the next year? Are we looking at ~10% failure rate on a 100k km car, or more like 50%?

[Lucas_R]

I think the 110TSI would appeal to a broader customer base when time to resell comes, as not everyone wants a "sporty car" like the GTI or R and the lower price point would also be appealing to buyers. As you are already aware, the DSG transmissions on the lower spec Golf's is their achilles heel. Having your mechanic check the transmission is likely to be a waste of time and money as they wont be able to know how worn out the clutches already are and the condition of the oil or the mechatronics. It could fail 2 days after you buy it, or you might be lucky and it will run for 2 years without an issue. Personally I would avoid this transmission (especially if buying 2nd hand) as you may well be buying someone elses problem that they were sick of dealing with (eg they sold the car because of transmission issues which we see on this forum all the time).

But the GTI's and R's still appeal to a fairly wide audience, and being in Sydney you shouldnt have much trouble moving it on to a new owner when the time comes. I wish you were around 6 months ago when I had to sell my immaculate Mk7 GTI....its probably wrapped around a pole in South Sydney by now

The GTI's and R's are not only more enjoyable to drive and own in general, but they are more robust and reliable compared to the lower spec Golf's. So with that being said, I would recommend you find a nice GTI for between $25-30k.

[Sharkie]

If you were buying to have a MK7.5 Golf and not break the bank (in purchase and running costs) AND was looking for a manual, I'd say the 110TSI. It's quick enough, much lighter on fuel and a lot cheaper to insure.

If you are set on a DSG, go with a GTI as per Lucas' suggestion above. The DSG in the GTI is much more robust and will likely last quite a while, whereas the DSG in the 110 will self-destruct at some point guaranteed. Running costs will be higher, but so will the fun factor.

[Tabby]

Thanks for the advice, much as expected!

To complicate things further, I'm now considering a 2019 polo GTI. It would be similar price to a MK7 golf with far lower milage and some newer features (and still retaining a wet dsg). Yes, it would be sad to give up on the golf dream, but after moving overseas I could splurge on an R and appreciate it all the better.

My main concern is still resell so please let me know if I'm going down the wrong route!

[Lucas_R]

Polo GTI is a good car (essentially same engine as the Golf) but the issue is the DSG gearbox. Its still the same problematic gearbox as used in the lower spec Golf's.

So my advice would be to avoid the Polo GTI if you want a DSG transmission. If you are happy to get a manual transmission, then the Polo GTI is definitely a car to consider.

[Tabby]

I was under the impression that the polo GTI AW line from 2018 onwards used the wet 6 speed DSG, as opposed to the dry 7 speed in the previous gen 6R.

[Sharkie]

I was under the impression that the polo GTI AW line from 2018 onwards used the wet 6 speed DSG, as opposed to the dry 7 speed in the previous gen 6R.

Correct the AW GTI uses the wet 6 speed DSG (DQ250), which is the same as the MK7 (not Mk7.5) Golf GTI. It should last quite a while. Remember that all DSGs, even the wet clutches, will need clutch pack replacements at some point.

[Lucas_R]

I was under the impression that the polo GTI AW line from 2018 onwards used the wet 6 speed DSG, as opposed to the dry 7 speed in the previous gen 6R.

Looking into it more, it would seem that the newer Polo GTI does indeed have the 6 speed wet clutch DSG (DQ250), which was no doubt necessary to handle the extra power and torque of the new 2.0L turbo engine. I know the older Polo GTI's (2011-2017) had the crappy 7 speed so I was under the impression they still used that gearbox.

So with that being the case, yes the 2018+ Polo GTI with DSG would be worth consideraing. The 6 speed DSG is a really good and generally very reliable/robust unit.

[genebaby]

From what I understand every engine 132kw and above gets a wet clutch DSG, below that is dry.

[Tabby]

Update - the ppsr for the polo I was considering came back dodgy. At the same time I viewed a 2016 Golf R. Waaay better to drive, so I went with that and should be picking it up tomorrow!

In case anyone is interested I'm paying $29,000 for good condition car @ 80k km from a dealer.

Thanks for the help!

[Lucas_R]

Wow $29k is cheap for a 2016 Golf R with only 80,000km. I sold my 2016 Golf GTI with 60,000km about 6 months ago for $28k.

My brother had a AW Polo GTI for short period of time a few years ago and I must admit, it did feel cheaper to drive - probably the torsion beam rear suspension had to blame as its much less refined (and cheaper to manufacture) than the independent suspension used in the Golf.

[Tabby]

Yeah I was following sales for about a month and only saw one other similar R go for under 30k (privately). The dealer I bought it from specialises in expensive cars (most are around 100k), so I think they couldn't be bothered checking the true value and just wanted it gone. I turned up the day after listing and put a deposit down!

The polo seemed very jerky to me, to the point that it would be difficult to get used to. A lot of engine & braking power for the weight!

[Johnbu]

Wow $29k is cheap for a 2016 Golf R with only 80,000km. I sold my 2016 Golf GTI with 60,000km about 6 months ago for $28k.

My brother had a AW Polo GTI for short period of time a few years ago and I must admit, it did feel cheaper to drive - probably the torsion beam rear suspension had to blame as its much less refined (and cheaper to manufacture) than the independent suspension used in the Golf.

I think the Covid tax on second hand cars is diminishing and used car prices are going back to normal.

interest rates and cost of living pressures is a factor these days.

I think you sold at the right time. Lucky you.

Historically a 7 yo car would have depreciated by more than 50%, but all things considered $29k for a 16 Golf R is Good price today.


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