Why is 504 / 507 oil so readily available when it should not be used here?

[bradsm87]

The owner's manual says to only use 504 00 / 507 00 oil in markets where the fuel meets EN 228 standards (10ppm sulphur), otherwise to use 502 00 oil instead. Australian 95 and 98 RON fuel can be up to 50ppm sulphur and does not meet EN 228 fuel standards, therefore 502 00 oil should be used (according to the owner's manual). This is why I never trust oil vendor's product guides (which in this case all seem to recommend 504 / 507 oils) or mechanics that just use oil vendor's product guides.

Am I missing something? Should I be going against VW's recommendation like nearly every oil vendor's product guide recommends?

[Guest001]

Well my Tiguan has a sticker under the bonnet with 504/507 on it so thats what it will get. Im not a chemist so if thats what they want I will use it as if i use something else and have troubles i could be deep in smelly brown stuff

[bradsm87]

Well my Tiguan has a sticker under the bonnet with 504/507 on it so thats what it will get. Im not a chemist so if thats what they want I will use it as if i use something else and have troubles i could be deep in smelly brown stuff

I've got a feeling VW Australia have differed to what the owner's manual says. I just wish they would publish it somewhere properly and issue a supplement to the owner's manual.

What engine is in yours?

[Umai Naa!!]

100% stick to 504/507. If you have any engine related issues under warranty, you probably won't be covered.

[Guest001]

I've got a feeling VW Australia have differed to what the owner's manual says. I just wish they would publish it somewhere properly and issue a supplement to the owner's manual.

What engine is in yours?

Same as in my sig A 162 TSI

[Guest001]

100% stick to 504/507. If you have any engine related issues under warranty, you probably won't be covered.

Yep a bit silly to theorize your way into problems. Just put in it what they say Mine have run on Penrite Enviro + for 10 year with no problems.. I supply it myself at services.

[bradsm87]

100% stick to 504/507. If you have any engine related issues under warranty, you probably won't be covered.

That makes no sense because the owner's manual says only use 502 if your country's fuel does not meet EN 228 fuel standards which Australia's fuel does not.

[bradsm87]

Yep a bit silly to theorize your way into problems. Just put in it what they say Mine have run on Penrite Enviro + for 10 year with no problems.. I supply it myself at services.

It's not theorising. It's right there in the owner's manual. The owner's manual says to use 502 and only lists 504 as an alternative IF the country's fuel standards meet EN 228. BMW, MB and others do the same thing. BMW specify LL-04 in Europe where they have low sulphur fuel but LL-01 here because of our ****ty fuel for example.

[bradsm87]

Here is a pic of the oil page in the owner's manual.

[kamold]

From what I understand, VW in Aus use flexible service (long life) which means that the ECU and algorithms determine when to inform you that service is due.
So you use 508 or 504 for a petrol engine per that table. Alternatively you can use 504 for a petrol engine if in Australia.
So use 504 for a petrol engine in Australia.
Or don't. It's up to you.

[bradsm87]

From what I understand, VW in Aus use flexible service (long life) which means that the ECU and algorithms determine when to inform you that service is due.
So you use 508 or 504 for a petrol engine per that table. Alternatively you can use 504 for a petrol engine if in Australia.
So use 504 for a petrol engine in Australia.
Or don't. It's up to you.

You missed the point a) in the heading of the alternative oil column.

Australia use fixed services. QI4 in the first page of the service book. See the middle column for fixed services. It says 502. The alternative says 504 but there is a point a) at the top of that column. The matching footnote for point a) reads:

"Alternative engine oil specifications may only be used in fixed services QI1, QI2, QI3, QI4 and QI7, and only when fuel of a quality compliant with EN 228, or fuel of an equivalent quality, is available in the particular country"

EN 228 specifies 10ppm sulphur. Australian fuel does not even come close to complying with this. Australian sulphur limit for 95 and 98 RON is 50ppm, 5x that of EN 228.

[Guest001]

Take it up with VW, not us We do what it says in our service book and my car says use 504/507 so thats what it gets

[bradsm87]

Take it up with VW, not us We do what it says in our service book and my car says use 504/507 so thats what it gets

I'd be interested to see what's in your book. The Golf and Polo have the page like mine. I'm just interested.

[jggolf]

We have a brand new 2020 Alltrack 132TSI. There is nowhere in the supplied manual/supplement or service schedule that mentions the oil standard ie 504/507. It does mention that for emergency top ups 502.00 can be used (max .5l) VW recommends Castrol oil in the manual. Castrol recommends EDGE 5W-30 LL. VW standard 504 00/ 507 00. Thats what is going in the car when we have the oil/filter changed at 1500k's as an extra service. The thought of leaving the factory fill oil/filter in until the first scheduled service at 15,000k's is a little beyond my mechanical sympathy.

[Umai Naa!!]

All diesels are spec'd with 504/507 since 2004 in Australia, with the exception of a couple of specific engines.

Bear in mind, the book is not specific the Australian market.

Worth noting that 504/507 oils are rated for 30,000km drain intervals, however the service intervals for Australia (besides the Crafter), are 15,000kms, or 12 months.