Golf GTI Edition 35

[pologti18t]

Very funny (lipstick, B/Job) but very true. The likes of HSV rolling out the SV Black range. $4000 extra for some black highlights and black wheels, wheres the value in that? Limited editions need more than just small cosmetic changes.

I looked on HSV site. The black series gets upgraded 20 inch wheels/tyres , bimodel exhaust and leather. Actually not bad for $4000.

[SilvrFoxX]

I looked on HSV site. The black series gets upgraded 20 inch wheels/tyres , bimodel exhaust and leather. Actually not bad for $4000.

The point being made is not of value add on proposition but differentiation.. to be special you dont just want a badge you want horses under the bonnet

[Rob_R]

heh.. was wondering if anyone noticed that.. anyway glad you got your new set of wheels in the right colour and loving it.. truly a great place to be.. now the "tweaking" begins.. I have tried to not do it but there are so many little things that need to be done..

You need to change your sig to "Viagra on AWD" I mean those GTI folk think the same thing and there needs to be differentiation or you could be smashed in the GTI v R thread

Nah the fact that RB is the only colour WE win hands down. Putting AWD in my sig would just be rubbing it in!! Oops maybe I've started something.

[SilvrFoxX]

Nah the fact that RB is the only colour WE win hands down. Putting AWD in my sig would just be rubbing it in!! Oops maybe I've started something.

lol......

[AdamD]

...Which makes the car more fun to drive and doesn't drink half a bottle of oil after one track day.

VS the overly refined EA888 which doesn't have the above and makes the current GTI as boring as as Corolla/bat poo to drive.

Gotta say, I feel a bit sorry for you triode if you reckon refinement makes a car boring! You'd miss out on enjoying a raft of fantastic performance cars that can also play smooth and quiet... including the MkVI GTI.

[kaanage]

Limited editions need more than just small cosmetic changes.

Golf Adidas GTi?

[DoggieHowser]

Gotta say, I feel a bit sorry for you triode if you reckon refinement makes a car boring! You'd miss out on enjoying a raft of fantastic performance cars that can also play smooth and quiet... including the MkVI GTI.

Ditto.

If I wanted raw, I'd stick with my old Evo which I finally replaced with a smoother R35

But I guess I'm too old these days to do my GTR any justice and besides with the cops being on the watch all the time in the few weeks I've been driving in Oz, I think a smooth daily drive with the odd burst of power on tap is probably a better buy.

[triode12]

Gotta say, I feel a bit sorry for you triode if you reckon refinement makes a car boring! You'd miss out on enjoying a raft of fantastic performance cars that can also play smooth and quiet... including the MkVI GTI.

What is the point of driving a car that doesn't allow you to enjoy the sensation of speed at legal speeds?
A friend and Golf MKV GTI owner used to have an AMG SL55 and he says that while the performance in a straight line was alot better in the Merc, he enjoys driving his MkV GTI a whole lot more. The SL55 was so smooth and refined that travelling at 100 was like travelling at 60. Boring.

Have a look at this video to see what Jay Leno thinks about the (born again) Morgan 3-wheeler. Take note of what he says just before he puts in his order for one (4.11min/secs).

‪JAY LENO TESTS NEW MORGAN 3-WHEELER IN ENGLAND‬‏ - YouTube

That is what driving is all about. Not cossetted/entombed in silky smooth car - what is the fun in that?

If you to drive a smooth and boring car, you are better off getting a Lexus LS350.

[triode12]

Adam,

I guess, you would be one of those people that would detune and dynamat (to silence the viceral noise) of a McLaren F1 Supercar so that you can enjoy it's performance in silky smooth refinement.

‪McLaren F1 #015 on Jay Leno's Garage - The Drive‬‏ - YouTube

The ironic thing is that MKVI GTI owners defending the positives of how refinement is a plus and then install a catback to make it sound more aggressive.

[SMOK3Y]

This why i got vw 90tsi economy & refinement. But i will be building a Westfield (aka Caterham 7 copy) as my raw excitement machine for days off

[AdamD]

I guess, you would be one of those people that would detune and dynamat (to silence the viceral noise) of a McLaren F1 Supercar so that you can enjoy it's performance in silky smooth refinement.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't like a car with a raw edge. What I am suggesting is that refinement and driving enjoyment are not mutually exclusive. Of course I wouldn't detune a McLaren F1 - it's an incredible performance machine just as it is, and entirely fit for purpose. But I don't think that, by making the MkVI a little quieter (and the EA888 a little smoother - have to emphasise that I think the differences to the EA113 are minor), VW has taken away any of the enjoyment or sensation of speed. They've just made it - to my mind at least - a little nicer to live with as a daily.

I've driven several MkV and MkVI GTIs at length. Sure, there are differences, but like I said, I don't find it a less satisfying performance drive than the V - they haven't diluted the steering feel or throttle response or overall handling balance. But then I don't associate a minor reduction in engine noise and NVH with a reduction in performance. Guess it's all down to perception.

[MrGTIandRfan]

Stock for stock, I find the MK V & VI very similar to drive. The driving experience is not any duller in a MK VI and welcome the nicer, more refined interior.

Now that I have a stage 2 Mk6 GTI, I love the fact that I have a comfy daily drive that has a bit of power when needed.

[SilvrFoxX]

[triode12]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't like a car with a raw edge. What I am suggesting is that refinement and driving enjoyment are not mutually exclusive. Of course I wouldn't detune a McLaren F1 - it's an incredible performance machine just as it is, and entirely fit for purpose. But I don't think that, by making the MkVI a little quieter (and the EA888 a little smoother - have to emphasise that I think the differences to the EA113 are minor), VW has taken away any of the enjoyment or sensation of speed. They've just made it - to my mind at least - a little nicer to live with as a daily.

I've driven several MkV and MkVI GTIs at length. Sure, there are differences, but like I said, I don't find it a less satisfying performance drive than the V - they haven't diluted the steering feel or throttle response or overall handling balance. But then I don't associate a minor reduction in engine noise and NVH with a reduction in performance. Guess it's all down to perception.

Unfortunately for me, I do find a difference and I too have driven several Vs and VIs at length. The refinement of the MkVI GTI has just pushed it over the edge of me in terms of fun vs boring. The improved NVH, and refined engine are just things that to ME don't spell GTI.

While the R still retains that edgyness of the MkV GTI that revived the line. Both the R and current GTI sport the MkVI chassis with the only difference being the engine. It has previously been stated in an online review that the EA113 is less refined that the EA888 so I believe that it is most likely the major contributor to why I feel the R(and possibly the new 35) is a better GTI than the current one is.

Again it is not about performance, you seem to think that fun is all about performance (numbers) while I have been trying to say that it more to it than that. All the cars we are talking about are within a second or fractions of second of each other on the track in the hands of competent drivers. It is how the makes you feel when you drive it.

If you had viewed the video I posted, it is about the driving experience, not the performance that Jay Leno was alluding to before he bought the Morgan 3 wheeler - even though it could go quite fast - he was having fun under the speed limit.

The 6N Polo GTI would kill both the R and GTI (mkV and VI) in terms of fun and it isn't as good as both cars performance wise. And that is what a GTI is all about - not all out performance.

[WhiteJames]

GTI Ed35 -v- GTI

The Mark 6 GTI has much better sorted suspension than the MKV GTI - that's with or without DCC. The Turbo on the Mark 6 GTI spools up faster and harder on initial acceleration bursts providing NA crispness with improved exhaust turbine scavenging, making the Mark 6 useable and fun at & below posted speed limits when driving in traffic. The chain-driven cams in the EA888 actually make the noise of the EA888 louder and more gruff than the older belt driven EA113 motor in the MKV. The fueling of the EA888 as opposed to the EA113 is like going from a carburator to fuel injection with newer tech. An EA888 in the Mark 7 Golf R is likely to be something to savour when it arrives. I'd never go back to the EA113 - KO3 or KO4. Yes ... I have owned both MKV GTI and Mark 6 GTI. The improvements in the NVH are primarily in the sound deadening of the chasis for the Mark 6 Golf, rather than the motor when comparing like for like (KO3). My two bobs worth would be to seriously consider that bigger (KO4) is not necessarily better when strapped onto an aging EA113 motor in the case of the GTi Ed35. Go the regular GTI I say.
Cheers.
WJ