Mk6 Golf Acceleration & Performance Data

[Footguy]

So Sammy, yours is a Stg2 Gti yes? Assuming you have a dump pipe?

and your dad is Stg 1 Golf R?

Seems odd that you were so close off the line, I'd have thought the R would have pulled on you initially and then it been pretty close after that, with as you said the R just moving away...

[AdamD]

NO K04 on my GTI!!! check my previous posts mate... My car is a tuned STOCK K03 with exhaust and intake.

Ah, sorry mate, my bad - I thought it was a K04!

13.6 from a K03 with just a tune, intake and exhaust... very decent! How can you be disappointed with that?

[Sammy125TDi]

So Sammy, yours is a Stg2 Gti yes? Assuming you have a dump pipe?

and your dad is Stg 1 Golf R?

Seems odd that you were so close off the line, I'd have thought the R would have pulled on you initially and then it been pretty close after that, with as you said the R just moving away...

My GTI is what people would call a stage 2 i guess... its just a GIAC k03 tune with a custom dump pipe. it made 171kw atfw last dyno day

I run reasonably soft tyres that i let down to 23psi, this would only be a minor assistance, i get off the line very aggressively for a manual. The golf R made its ground back with the DSG shifting seamlessly and not loosing boost pressure on gear changes, plus the K04 likes to rev more. i'll explain why;

I left the line 2.5/10th earlier than he did, we both had identical 60' times. He pulled level with me at half (1/8th mile or 200m) track with DSG against me shifting manually, he got back 3/10ths to be .5/10th infront of me and travelling 2mph faster at this stage. He held his 2.5mph speed advantage and crept away another 2/10ths in the last 200m to beat me across the line by .2 sec, about a car length.

Every time i changed gears i lost time, boost pressure and acceleration. Because the R kept the foot planted he was pulling hard the full length of the race. i could literally see he jump forward half a car length every time i shifted.

Ah, sorry mate, my bad - I thought it was a K04!

13.6 from a K03 with just a tune, intake and exhaust... very decent! How can you be disappointed with that?

i think there is a 13.4 in it..... but what i really want is 12's out of a K04.

[Corey_R]

You changed your engine moiunts to get a 13.6 in your GTI that is a STG 1, because last time you went they were snapped and didnt realise/hadnt changed them.

When they were snapped you ran a 13.9 or something?

So you got a 0.3 improvement - from the fixed engine mounts.

Is that right, or is your car not stg 1/something I missed.

Sammy's GTI is Stage II (intake, exhaust, tune). So you missed that.

Also this quote:

Corey, it turns out the reason i couldn't get the power down the week you were there was due to a broken pendulum mount. The car was axle tramping and wheel spinning through 1st and 2nd gears. The last visit before i broke it saw 13.9-13.8's all night. I installed a new Volkswagen racing mount and it took 3/10th off my 60' time.

So BEFORE it was broken, 13.8 to 13.9
When I was there and it was broken, 14+
When it was fixed (Wednesday night this week) 13.6

So you missed that too.

REXman - seriously mate, I've been trying to bite my tongue, but you're an intelligent guy, surely you realise that between a hot night and a cold night, there is going to be differences in times. I really shouldn't have to explain that. I got a 13.6 on a warm and humid night (~29) and whilst you said the time was good, you have still been stating that APR needs to change their claims. Wooduck gets a 13.3 on a much cooler night and you state "this tune must be alright.."

I'm not trying to take away from anyone's times here. I haven't met Wooduck yet, but I've met Sammy and he's a great guy. I've also got a lot of respect for GIAC's tunes. But a 0.3 second difference in a 13 to 14 second run between two nights is well and truely within the margins of error for "weather differences".

[Sammy125TDi]

Sammy's GTI is Stage II (intake, exhaust, tune). So you missed that.

Also this quote:


So BEFORE it was broken, 13.8 to 13.9
When I was there and it was broken, 14+
When it was fixed (Wednesday night this week) 13.6

So you missed that too.

REXman - seriously mate, I've been trying to bite my tongue, but you're an intelligent guy, surely you realise that between a hot night and a cold night, there is going to be differences in times. I really shouldn't have to explain that. I got a 13.6 on a warm and humid night (~29) and whilst you said the time was good, you have still been stating that APR needs to change their claims. Wooduck gets a 13.3 on a much cooler night and you state "this tune must be alright.."

I'm not trying to take away from anyone's times here. I haven't met Wooduck yet, but I've met Sammy and he's a great guy. I've also got a lot of respect for GIAC's tunes. But a 0.3 second difference in a 13 to 14 second run between two nights is well and truely within the margins of error for "weather differences".

Please don't forget my GTI is a manual... thats a serious handicap on the drag strip.

Yes, the night corey and i were there it was certainly warm, however it was still mid to high 20's last wednesday.. i was only 1mph down on my best trap. I do agree with corey in that the wednesday he attended, the conditions were not condusive to making big HP or running quick times.

It is no secret that GIAC is built to be a more aggressive tune than the APR. I'm not suggesting that the APR tunes do not make power, i believe they tune with safety, economy and driveability in mind. This can affect the power made on warm nights with the amount of ignition pull and other factors.

I believe that the DRAG STRIP is one of the most credible and accurate DYNO's available. I take VBOX and GTECH data with a grain of salt, whilst reasonably accurate there are too many variables against running on a dead flat piece of tarmac with laser timing. I think if we all want to compare the size of our ****s... we should all attend WSID on the same night, or at least the upcoming dyno day.

Corey, can you give me the 60', 1/8th time and mph, and 1/4 time and mph of you 13.6 run?

[Corey_R]

Yeah mate...
2.078, 8.774 - 79.60, 13.617 - 99.27


I'll definitely be out there again at some point, but I have the Stage II+ going now (DP, FMIC, HPFP, minus CAI at this point... got something in the works though). It won't be for a few weeks though cause I'm just too busy at this point.

[XXR32XX]

Sammy needs a bigger turbo and with some mods on the way the Wooduck R will only get quicker. To the 12's...

[wooduck]

Sammy needs a bigger turbo and with some mods on the way the Wooduck R will only get quicker. To the 12's...

Welcome XXR32XX and what is your ride.

[MurphyTheElf]

I'm guessing an R32.....

[Sammy125TDi]

Yeah mate...
2.078, 8.774 - 79.60, 13.617 - 99.27

Ok. Here's the breakdown. Your run was almost identical to my 13.6. My stats were 2.091, 8.831@80.50, 13.670@102.1

Compared to wooduck's R
So your 60's are the same. 1/100th slower. 1/8th track you were 2/10ths and 3mph slower. Full track you were 3/10ths behind and 4mph slower. You would have crossed the line 2 lengths behind.

The times and speeds suggest Corey's R was certainly down on power on the night. Mine was not performing well enough to be a yardstick between the two R's.

[Corey_R]

Yep Sammy, that's a good breakdown.

[Sammy125TDi]

Yep Sammy, that's a good breakdown.

For the final MPH of your run Corey. it is a VERY quick time. I was running the same MPH and only getting mid to low 14's.

[REXman]

Sammy's GTI is Stage II (intake, exhaust, tune). So you missed that.

Also this quote:


So BEFORE it was broken, 13.8 to 13.9
When I was there and it was broken, 14+
When it was fixed (Wednesday night this week) 13.6

So you missed that too.

REXman - seriously mate, I've been trying to bite my tongue, but you're an intelligent guy, surely you realise that between a hot night and a cold night, there is going to be differences in times. I really shouldn't have to explain that. I got a 13.6 on a warm and humid night (~29) and whilst you said the time was good, you have still been stating that APR needs to change their claims. Wooduck gets a 13.3 on a much cooler night and you state "this tune must be alright.."

I'm not trying to take away from anyone's times here. I haven't met Wooduck yet, but I've met Sammy and he's a great guy. I've also got a lot of respect for GIAC's tunes. But a 0.3 second difference in a 13 to 14 second run between two nights is well and truely within the margins of error for "weather differences".

You can be as bitchy as 14 year old school girl if that's what your into, but the facts speak for themselves.

He ran a better time cause he had bad (see: broken) engine mounts.

Not cause he ran in nicer weather.

And as for missing the exhaust etc.. He only just mentioned that he had that and a tune. After I replied.

[Corey_R]

Whatever REXman. Just do everyone a favour - if you're going to "summarise the facts", at least look them up first and save everyone the confusion...

[REXman]

And yes, I do believ APR claims are off. The car is not a 4,7 sec to a hundred nor is it a 12 sec car stock.

I een said to you when you got a 13.6, that it should have a 13.4 in it. And there you go someone got a 13.33.

It still a LONG way from 12s.

And too many people have NOT achieved the advertised claims. That's why I'm a bit sleptical at best, about some of the tuners claims.

I can honestly say there is no way the stg 1 is a 4,7 sec car. I drove your stg 1 back to back with my stocka and the difference was minor. It was there but just like the g tech reckoned, it was. 0.3 difference to a stocka.

That is if you trust the gtech.

But APR Is claiming that otherwise. And the shown track times show otherwise again.