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  • Rotational Weight isn't my concept. It's a basic concept of car design which is particularly important in performance cars and in motorsports. It's entirely based in physics where it's called Rotational Inertia or Moment of Inertia

    I'm sure everyone already understands the important of weight reduction to performance. Most people also have heard of "unsprung" vs "sprung" weight. The basic theory of that is that you aim to reduce as much unsprung weight as possible. So much so is the importance of this, that it is beneficial to reduce your unsprung weight, even if you then need to add additional sprung weight to meet a minimum weight requirement in motorsports.

    But there is also rotational weight. Rotational weight can be both sprung (crankshaft, gears, drive shafts etc), and also unsprung, wheels, brake rotors etc. Chad Knaus said in a recent "NASCAR Performance" show that in order of important is rotational weight (most), unsprung and then sprung (least). The reason reduction of rotational mass is most important is that the engine must accelerate its mass PLUS overcome its rotational inertia.

    Doing a google search brought up articles specifically on this topic in relation to motorsports:
    Auto Racing

    In many cases, car handling can be improved by increasing the diameter of your car's wheels matched with a lower aspect ratio tire. The drawback of this is that most plus sized wheel and tire combinations are heavier than the stock smaller wheel size with a taller tire sidewall. This can make for slower 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times.
    So reduction of the rim size reduces the weight and thus the rotational inertia.

    I also don't think you should immediately discount "handling" as a requirement for straight line acceleration... but that's harder to quantify, although we already know that even on a GTI, the 17" wheels have beat out the 18" wheels around a track...


    Edit: Oh, and team_v got in whilst I was writing that up. Cheers mate... it's good to find a 2nd person who knows what I'm talking about

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    • Originally posted by MurphyTheElf View Post
      There is an inherent delay of about 1 second (which is huge) that can't be overcome with fancy footwork.
      I have no delay in my DSG....
      The only time there is a delay is when the hill-holder activates, which only seems to be on a significant upslope. It seems to hold the brakes on for a full second regardless of what I do with the accelerator (I can be revving against the brakes, then all of a sudden it lets the brakes go and you're off with a jolt). I have found to get around this you must go straight from the brake to the accelerator, no hesitation. Normally (say on a level road where I knew the hill holder wasn't going to be a pain), I would take my foot off the brake when the lights go green, the car starts to roll a bit, then when the car infront has started moving enough I start accelerating. On a hill I cant do that, I have to wait until the car infront has moved enough that I can go, then I go straight from brake to accelerator and the hill holder doesn't cut in.
      2010 MY10 Golf R (Sold) - 5 Door, DSG, Rising Blue, Leather, ACC, Satnav, Dynadio, Sunroof, MDI, Electric Seat.
      2015 MY16 Golf GTI - 5 Door, DSG, Carbon Grey, Leather, Sunroof, DAP.

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      • Originally posted by HPSOV View Post
        I have no delay in my DSG....
        The only time there is a delay is when the hill-holder activates, which only seems to be on a significant upslope.
        I find the hill-holder very frustrating. Mine activates on only minor slopes and makes takeoff unpredictable and rough.

        Can the hill-holder be adjusted to activate with more/less slope? Can it be turned off?
        2010 Golf R Black DSG 5Dr MDI Fiscon Plus

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        • Originally posted by Lex200 View Post
          Can the hill-holder be adjusted to activate with more/less slope? Can it be turned off?
          I would love to know the answer to that too!!!
          My WRX had hill-holder, it would hold until you moved the clutch, it was awesome. Maybe the DSG one should hold until it senses some accelerator then let go, rather than this completely arbitrary 1 or 1.5 seconds or whatever it is.

          Have a go at getting from the brake to the accelerator very quickly, it seems to stop it activating completely for me.
          2010 MY10 Golf R (Sold) - 5 Door, DSG, Rising Blue, Leather, ACC, Satnav, Dynadio, Sunroof, MDI, Electric Seat.
          2015 MY16 Golf GTI - 5 Door, DSG, Carbon Grey, Leather, Sunroof, DAP.

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          • Originally posted by Corey_R View Post
            Edit: Oh, and team_v got in whilst I was writing that up. Cheers mate... it's good to find a 2nd person who knows what I'm talking about
            Many thanks Team_v and Corey for the explanations. I guess when it comes down to it, the only thing that matters is the time on the clock at 100km/h or the end of the quarter mile! I may have shot myself in the foot for getting the 19s for the TSI, (arrived just after I posted earlier) but lucky the Bluefin from Superchips arrived not long after.
            I'll cease to hijack this thread now and let it go back to the mighty "R" and not physics
            Current drive:2016 Golf GTI 40 Years in Pure White

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            • lol Brian. Yeah, physics sucks
              If you like the look of the 19's on your TSI, then what does it matter? The roads are not a race track anyway, so a few tenths are nothing to lose sleep over

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              • Originally posted by Big_Dave View Post
                Wow, 4.68, thats nice.
                and with 18's that would be better still.
                That's seriously quick.
                I used to imagine buying a RS6 one day, with a stage 1 reflash I will have my RS6 for $54K.
                Very quick. I am planning Stage I. I heard from a dealer on the Sunshine Coast that new orders now are expecting a June delivery date!!
                Bockey
                2023 Tiguan R Driver

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                • Originally posted by BockeyT View Post
                  Very quick. I am planning Stage I. I heard from a dealer on the Sunshine Coast that new orders now are expecting a June delivery date!!
                  June?!?! Ok now that is starting to get ridiculous! God I hope mine gets here before then!! ohhhhhh the paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain!
                  THE BEAST: "2015 Lapiz Blue Wolfsburg Golf R wagon"

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                  • June is about right i'd say.
                    My July order is likely to land here in early March so 8 month delay for factory orders. If i didn't think it was worth waiting for... i wouldn't wait.

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                    • Originally posted by Glennb View Post
                      June is about right i'd say.
                      My July order is likely to land here in early March so 8 month delay for factory orders. If i didn't think it was worth waiting for... i wouldn't wait.

                      Jesus!!! I thought waiting until December 2010 was bad enough.
                      United Grey R: All the accessories (leather, not Recaro's though), S2P paddles, Kuftech DVD in motion. Carbon grill, mirrors and diffuser awaiting to be fitted.

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                      • Heh Guys,
                        Just spotted this on Web
                        Stig hillclimb: VW Golf R - BBC Top Gear
                        maybe for upcoming series
                        Golf R MY 11.5 United Gray, 3 door, DSG, ACC, Free MDI, Bluetooth
                        Mods - APR Downpipe, VW Racing AI, HPFP, APR Tune Stage 2+- lovin it!
                        Touareg V8 TDI R-Line, White .Arrived 11 July.

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                        • Originally posted by Big_Dave View Post
                          Heh Guys,
                          Just spotted this on Web
                          Stig hillclimb: VW Golf R - BBC Top Gear
                          maybe for upcoming series
                          No, it's old and has been posted here before. Plus, it says on their page that it was for their "Massive Hot Hatch Mega Test."

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                          • Golf R DSG APR Stage 1 Tune Video

                            Hey everyone,

                            My mate has a DSG Rising Blue Golf R with Black Wheels. I think it looks awesome. Anyhow here is a video of it, enjoy



                            YouTube - VW Golf Type R APR Stage 1 Tune
                            Golf R MKVI Rising Blue | DSG | 5 door | Recaros | ACC | Silver 19's | Dynaudio | RVC | MDI

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                            • It is indeed an awesome vehicle.. I guess black wheels are the current trend.. not for me though..
                              Current Ride: MY 16 Daytona Pearl Grey Audi S3- Performance Pack 1, Sunroof and Driver assist

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                              • Although a DSG topic really, for those with hillstart and slow takoff issues have you tried using the handbrake?

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