Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[adzy]

Sorry, but I don't understand your first question I highlighted in Bold.

The weighting is the same between the Pirelli and R IMO. That is why I felt like I was driving my Pirelli.
You should give the R a test drive.

My first test drive of an R was in Sg in Mar 2010 and I suspect it was tuned bec it didn't have any lag - acceleration was linear like an NA but with alot of shove (5 ppl in the car) and the exhaust was palpable inside and outside of the cabin(I suspect the exhaust was modded too).

The subsequent test drives in Rs were done here in Oz and the cars had slight turbo lag - not as bad as a stock Pirelli but it was there and they didn't sound anything like the test car in Sg (the stock R actually sounds more like my Pirelli). Having said that, all other impressions were the same.

Sorry, I meant can u feel the extra weight of the r dulling the turn in much as in does it want to push understeer more when going for it. I would assume the are would be less eager on turn in and less adjustable mid corner with steering, throttle and braking inputs

[WhiteJames]

Front end treatment broke the camel's back

In retrospect: Given that Ray has paid the first 1K deposit on that Blue 5 door DSG Golf R almost fully optioned, an offer of 67K would be more appropriate and reasonably good value for a vehicle of this type. In the spirit of the thread and returning to the front end treatments of the Golf R and Golf GTI - it was noted that the Golf R day-time driving lights look like cheap aftermarket add-ons and the black plastic front parking sensors inside the lower grill on the R look like something that you'd pick up from **** Smith Electronics as a post-aftermarket fitment, not something to be found on a rrp $74500 sports/luxury hatchback - well not according to Ray who complains that the Golf R lacks the front end design cohesiveness of the lesser models. Just another factor in culling the deal. On the other hand, the Golf GTI has tidy driving lights housed inside the headlight cradles and front park sensors tastefully housed around the bumper and individually colour coded on every GTI. As for the Polo GTI, it wouldn't take my not too large suitcase in its boot, which makes less practical on longer tours.
Cheers.
WJ

[dave_r]

Edited for your pleasure.

ROFL, lunch has been saved!

You need a luxo barge not an R

The R is luxo barge enough!

[adzy]

The R is luxo barge enough!

Amen

WJ- kudos to you mate for being mature and respectful amongst all the bashing towards your prior posts. Keep doing what u do mate as your suspension reviews etc have been great to read

[SilvrFoxX]

In retrospect: Given that Ray has paid the first 1K deposit on that Blue 5 door DSG Golf R almost fully optioned, an offer of 67K would be more appropriate and reasonably good value for a vehicle of this type. In the spirit of the thread and returning to the front end treatments of the Golf R and Golf GTI - it was noted that the Golf R day-time driving lights look like cheap aftermarket add-ons and the black plastic front parking sensors inside the lower grill on the R look like something that you'd pick up from **** Smith Electronics as a post-aftermarket fitment, not something to be found on a rrp $74500 sports/luxury hatchback - well not according to Ray who complains that the Golf R lacks the front end design cohesiveness of the lesser models. Just another factor in culling the deal. On the other hand, the Golf GTI has tidy driving lights housed inside the headlight cradles and front park sensors tastefully housed around the bumper and individually colour coded on every GTI. As for the Polo GTI, it wouldn't take my not too large suitcase in its boot, which makes less practical on longer tours.
Cheers.
WJ

Now.. I completely disagree.. there is a reason why the R32 was $62K entry point and the R $48K entry point.. to option up to $74k has nothing to do with what you get for the base package.

VW knew this and opened up a broader market base .. grieve as you must for the demise of the R32 but not at the expense of the well priced replacement

Attached is a blog from an R32 fanatic who has had the first opportunity to test drive the R.. it is pretty unbias account of what he thinks of the R in a brief test. Lets call him American WJ

http://nordschleifeautoblahg.blogspot.com/2011/07/vw-golf-r-drive-report-and-perspective.html

[styyyle]

Well I had the choice. Test drove a 2008 R32 with 48000kms on the clock, priced at $43880. Felt very slow to react under throttle, but liked the sound of the beast. I say beast because the test drive circuit had more than a few roundabouts, and it didnt seem at all too happy turning in - much happier in a straight line. Next I tested an R, the whole package felt more balanced, and managed to pick a 2010 with 10k on the clock up for $49500 neat from a dealer.

Sure the R cost 15% more, but was 2 years newer, still had 2 years factory warranty, (feels like) it turns in quicker, and has a functional centre console computer (which the R32 didnt). Needless to say Im very happy with my purchase - the next generation of engineering and refinement sealed the deal for me.

For the record I also tested an 135i (VERY minimalist interior, no chance to put child seat in the back), and a Mini Cooper S (fun but too small). Looked at a GTI with adidas seats - fine if I wanted my football boots to be my car but cant see myself giving anyone a ride without stupid comments - say if I were to drop a feminina home... Looked at a GTI Pirelli but the trim was way too over the top with yellow stitching and strange grooves in the seats. Great for the fully-sicks Im sure, but not something Id be comfortable giving my director a lift home in.

[triode12]

Sorry, I meant can u feel the extra weight of the r dulling the turn in much as in does it want to push understeer more when going for it. I would assume the are would be less eager on turn in and less adjustable mid corner with steering, throttle and braking inputs

Not that I could tell, it felt just like the Pirelli on the turns (in everyway except in power delivery and braking). In stock form, the Pirelli understeers quite a bit so, it would be the same for the R. The car would benefit from upgraded sways.

[Corey_R]

Attached is a blog from an R32 fanatic who has had the first opportunity to test drive the R.. it is pretty unbias account of what he thinks of the R in a brief test. Lets call him American WJ

VW Golf R drive report and perspective from R32 enthusiast/owner | Nordschleife Autoblahg

From the article:

One major design that I'm glad VW went away from was that cheese "diamond plate" looking dash trim from the MKV R32. The Golf R has a nice, subdued medium gray dash trim that is unassuming and even has a nice quality textured feel to it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the Golf R32's "diamond plate" trim sucked. It's so "un-executive" if you ask me! hehe

[Rob_R]

I feel dirty..

hehe, it doesn't read well does it.

[SilvrFoxX]

hehe, it doesn't read well does it.

Not when I am wearing my chaps and stetson... ooops .. wrong forum.. isn't this buff boyz..?

[MkVIGTI]

You need a luxo barge not an R

My friend made a comment whilst in my GTI last time, saying how he thinks sports cars should also be luxurious, and also asked why my GTI doesn't have electric seats...

[DoggieHowser]

My friend made a comment whilst in my GTI last time, saying how he thinks sports cars should also be luxurious, and also asked why my GTI doesn't have electric seats...

Tell that to the Scuderia and Elise owners

[MkVIGTI]

Tell that to the Scuderia and Elise owners

I used my friend's Evo 9 as an example He also said that a 2.0L Honda Accord feels very powerful and not that much slower...

[DoggieHowser]

I used my friend's Evo 9 as an example He also said that a 2.0L Honda Accord feels very powerful and not that much slower...

I hope he's referring to the EuroR

Even so, with a higher state of tune on the S2000, it felt sluggish. Things only improved after my friend changed the final drive which improved the acceleration but crippled top speed.

That said, with a convertible form factor, like with the S2000 and say the Boxster, with a good exhaust note, the cars do "sound" fast and with the wind in your hair, feels fast too, even if the car isn't.

[hentaiboy]

My friend made a comment whilst in my GTI last time, saying how he thinks sports cars should also be luxurious

In the latest series of Top Gear, JC looks at the evolution of the GTI and complains that they have become too soft and luxurious. This, he states, is the new GTI: