Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[ethosguy]

I've read you can heel and toe in the manual, but that's a very short duration using both inputs together. Everything I've been able to find so far (haven't searched for you link yet) suggests that the throttle body would close after a couple seconds on the brakes irrespective of what you're doing with the throttle.

In a Tiguan manual you can heal and toe but can't say activate the brake lights by lightly appling the brake and accelerate..you'd get a jab but not long enough for controlling a car in a corner.
I've asked if the R was the same and didn't get a reply from someone who might own one.

[Corey_R]

You are of course correct. What I should have said is can you keep the engine under load using the throttle and the brake together in order to keep the car on boost as you're braking. I'm still not sure. I've read you can heel and toe in the manual, but that's a very short duration using both inputs together. Everything I've been able to find so far (haven't searched for you link yet) suggests that the throttle body would close after a couple seconds on the brakes irrespective of what you're doing with the throttle.

In any case it sounds like the DSG and the manual work the same way. Very different philosophy to an Evo.

Yeah, you cannot keep your foot on the brake, otherwise the override is activated after a certain number of seconds. But as you mentioned, this is the case for DSG and manual.

[Mr_Bob]

I've not had any issues heel-toeing in the manual,

Haven't tried left foot braking and trying to keep the turbo spooled simultaneously.
not sure if my left foot braking skills are up to the task yet...more practise needed!

[bcm]

Go find a weekend motorkhana. Slow speed environment where you normally end up in one gear for a while . Perfect place to practice. Worst you can do normally is take out some cones.

[dave_r]

Go find a weekend motorkhana. Slow speed environment where you normally end up in one gear for a while . Perfect place to practice. Worst you can do normally is take out some cones.

Good advice there, various car clubs have them regularly. Have gone to DECA in Vic at least once with every new car I've ever had.

[MkVIGTI]

elisiX, to engage LC in the DSG, you'll have to drop the box into Sports mode, then turn off ESP (read traction control). After that it's just left foot on brake and right foot flooring the throttle. This will allow you to build revs up to about 3000rpm and when you lift your foot off the brake, the clutch will engage and off you go!

As to the left foot braking to keep the engine on boost, if you have the gearbox in S, doesn't the automatic downshifts keep the engine on boost anyway?

[AdamD]

[T]o engage LC in the DSG, you'll have to drop the box into Sports mode, then turn off ESP (read traction control). After that it's just left foot on brake and right foot flooring the throttle. This will allow you to build revs up to about 3000rpm and when you lift your foot off the brake, the clutch will engage and off you go!

You can put it into Sport or push the lever across to manual - either's good.

I've read quite a few posts that suggest the ideal point for a good launch is 2400rpm with a GTI - at least a stocker. Not sure how that'd change with a stage 1 - maybe 200-400 rpm less.

Apparently (one user has reported this - I haven't dug up the link, sorry) - once you are sitting there ready to launch (TC off, sport/manual mode, on brake, on throttle), you can then re-enable the traction control (by pressing the button) and get a traction-controlled launch. I have not tried this personally (I've not even done a hard launch in my car yet), but if anyone else does, please feel free to report back!

[Corey_R]

I've not even done a hard launch in my car yet

*Corey_R slaps AdamD

What are you waiting for! This is your homework for tonight. Go out and use your Launch Control and fully experience the awesomeness that is your car! hehe

[fuzion]

quick launches in AWD is hit and miss in manual.

as ive learnt from the s3, all you can do is be lucky when you take of and kill your clutch .. i wouldnt advise it.

option b (for those who have enough of it, aka power) you can just take off spinning the wheels instead.. *grin* ..
thanks to GIAC Extreme Tune which helps on this lol

[dave_r]

What are you waiting for! This is your homework for tonight. Go out and use your Launch Control and fully experience the awesomeness that is your car! hehe

I'm sure Adam will happily oblige if you provide a video of your new R doing the same infront of the dealership

[bcm]

As to the left foot braking to keep the engine on boost, if you have the gearbox in S, doesn't the automatic downshifts keep the engine on boost anyway?

I wouldn't think so. Not sure how it would be any different to heel and toeing into a corner apart from being quicker.

Generally though you only use left foot braking as a technique to keep boost up in corners where you don't need to change gear.

Only person I've ever seen that was able to use all three pedals at once was Pentti Airikkala who sadly died last year.

[AdamD]

*Corey_R slaps AdamD

What are you waiting for! This is your homework for tonight. Go out and use your Launch Control and fully experience the awesomeness that is your car! hehe

ROFL! *Hangs head in shame*

I'm sure Adam will happily oblige if you provide a video of your new R doing the same infront of the dealership

Corey'll be using LC as he drives his R out of the showroom, Dave!

[WhiteJames]

Audi RS AWD -v- Volkswagen R AWD

In terms of understeer bias ... the MKV GTI and the new Golf R offer a similar chassis tune. They are tuned to cause the motor vehicle to push wide off the mark when on the throttle during cornering. This is the old school of VAG suspension tune and tech. Both MKV GTI and Golf R understeer more than Falcodores. The Mark 6 Golf GTI is tuned to carry a slight amount of understeer right way through the corner with the aid of XDS tightening the line closer into the apex. Similarly ... the new RS Audi’s are using XDS on AWD front wheels plus tricky rear diffs to cause their vehicles to pivot around the centre axis to a small & safe degree that is pre-programmed into the ESC, XDS and E-diff, aiding turn-into corners and creating a sporty albeit synthetic driver experience, without any of the drawbacks of aftermarket sway bars (loss of suspension independence, head-toss, lift of oversteer, reduce ride comfort, etc). No doubt the MK7 Golf R will most likely come with XDS in addition to EDL as per the top end Audi RS versions. XDS did at first seemed like a gimmick & determining mechanic grip –v- electronic grip levels is a challenge in itself esp. with DCC offering another electronic layer of aid, distancing the driver from what is happening underneath – it’s all very surreal in a techno, synthetic & safe sort of way. Watching the new Polo GTI with XDS dancing on snow in the earlier YouTube video is testament to the effectiveness of FWD and XDS diffs on surfaces with very poor grips levels. I had the pleasure of driving from Sydney to Goulburn recently in the torrential rain via the Macquarie’s Pass, up 20km of steep winding roadways, with streams and waterfalls running across the roadway in many parts. Never once did I lament not having AWD. That wasn’t the case with my previous MKV GTI, even with upgraded heavy duty premium suspension.

Cheers
WJ

[G-rig]

The GTI is better
Enjoy.

[REXman]

The GTI is better
Enjoy.

The only thing the GTI is better at is not being as good.