Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[Converted]

You'll be waiting a while mate, check the above quote... the EA888 is just simply not designed for the high performance that demands AWD.

I can afford to wait (long time) mate coz I've got huge holes in my pockets (both of 'em) now.
Jokes aside, do you think the MK7 R (if there is) will be utilizing the EA888 then? Maybe modifying the internals if there is scope (which I assume the engineers at VW would have to pull another bunny out of the hat)?

[blanch0b]

it will probably be a new engine with new transmission by then (eg 7spd dsg if they can get it bang on for extra performance) that may be a few years away given VW's track record of releasing new versions (hopefully a few years, ive just bought an MK6 so really dont want to see a new model coming out soon!)

anway moving on.... this thread isnt to discuss what may be, its to discuss what is

[Sharkie]

You'll be waiting a while mate, check the above quote... the EA888 is just simply not designed for the high performance that demands AWD.

Actually EA888 + AWD + 7spd DSG is already available in the TSI Tiguans .....

And a simple catchcan with a drain back to the sump has solved APR's EA888 GTI's oil consumption issues ..... so the problem is not as bad as being made out here ...

So the MK7 R will likely within 2 years from today have both the EA888 + AWD + 7speed DSG (AWD & 600Nm rated as per the MY11 Tiguans) ....

[triode12]

Actually EA888 + AWD + 7spd DSG is already available in the TSI Tiguans .....

And a simple catchcan with a drain back to the sump has solved APR's EA888 GTI's oil consumption issues ..... so the problem is not as bad as being made out here ...

So the MK7 R will likely within 2 years from today have both the EA888 + AWD + 7speed DSG (AWD & 600Nm rated as per the MY11 Tiguans) ....

If you have to install an aftermarket catch can, the problem isn't solved, it is a work around. The Tiguan wasn't designed for tearing round a race track anyway - it is softroader. Time to call a spade... a spade.

The problem is only solved when VW fixes the issue w/o the need of a catch can.

[G-rig]

Not everyone is going to need a track ready car if they ain't going to the track I guess.

[dave_r]

Cheers mate. Agreed on all points.

Only 600+ posts to get there. Break out the weed and peace pipe lol

Not everyone is going to need a track ready car if they ain't going to the track I guess.

Nor are most GTI/R shoppers gonna be interested in a soccer mum soft roader!

[Danny]

Just a small correction, the R has the older and race proven 113 engine with strengthened internals (almost the same engine as the S3 - just minor differences e.g. intercooler).

It is the GTI that has the new you beaut 888 engine which drinks oil when pushed hard on the track.

Ah, yes, I realised that my comment could be taken that way but was too in a hurry to clarify. What I meant to say was new 2.0t drivetrain (meaning new in the model itself)...

Sorry!

[Sharkie]

If you have to install an aftermarket catch can, the problem isn't solved, it is a work around. The Tiguan wasn't designed for tearing round a race track anyway - it is softroader. Time to call a spade... a spade.

The problem is only solved when VW fixes the issue w/o the need of a catch can.

VW is in the process of releasing a new version PCV valve to fix the problem. Will be able to be retrofitted to already delivered GTI's and TSI Tiguan's should the need arrise.

It really is only needed if you spend a lot of time at the track so 90%+ of GTI owners and 100% of Tiguan owners would not need it.

Not everybody wants to go to a racetrack, and all this talk about the track really is ridiculous. Very few Golf owners on this very forum actually do go to the track ....

So for I want to use our Tig in its current form for it does everything a stock R can do and everything better than even a chipped GTI can do .... you people really need to get to know the VW range and what each model can do better ....
As far as this thread goes .... IMO a R is better than a GTI in all aspects, but neither of them is better than our Tiguan for what I want from it .... .... and AWD hatch that can do 0-100 in less than 6s and have a lot more interior space than any Golf ....

[REXman]

It really is only needed if you spend a lot of time at the track so 90%+ of GTI owners and 100% of Tiguan owners would not need it.

Not everybody wants to go to a racetrack, and all this talk about the track really is ridiculous. Very few Golf owners on this very forum actually do go to the track

I think you will unquestionably find, this is the difference between an R owner, and the owner of a soft roader family car.

[Sharkie]

I think you will unquestionably find, this is the difference between an R owner, and the owner of a soft roader family car.

Agreed, however, I'd be surprised if more than 10% of all R's sold in Australia will ever go to track ...... the people wanting to go to the track often, buy EVO's / STI's / Porsches .....

For that very reason I'm buying a Boxster S ..... I can be seen in it and I can track it unlike the R that I had on order that is really only suited to be seen in ....

Do a bit of research ... no magazine in the world that has tested the R in a comparison test anywhere in the world has rated it as a track weapon. To track it successfully you have to spend big like what APR has done with their R .... by which time it costs you the same as a 3 year old Boxster S .... no contest as far as I am concerned....

The R is the ultimate Golf from VW no question, but by no means is the best AWD hatch in the world ....

[nigel]

VW built the R as the uber golf, a mechanically superior vehicle. I'm on my second GTI and have only taken the R for a test drive. If someone offered me an R would I take it? Yes. But equally if I am asked about the GTI I have to say its a great car and have been very happy with it. The R is top dog and as a GTI owner I am completely happy with that. Price and availability swayed my choice and I have no problem with the compromise

[Mr_Bob]

For that very reason I'm buying a Boxster S ..... I can be seen in it and I can track it unlike the R that I had on order that is really only suited to be seen in ....

Interesting that he 986 boxster s has exactly the same lap time round Nordschleife, (8min 23s)
The 987 S was 5sec faster (8min 18sec)
As a track car, that would make the R good value for money,
A reflash and some track tyres would probably close that 5sec gap and keep it under the price of 5yr old boxster s.

[Corey_R]

Given the R is a turbo and the 987 S isn't, the reflash alone would almost certainly make up that 5 seconds on a track as long as the Nurburgring. I know there are lots AND LOTS of corners, but there is also plenty of high speed areas and very hard acceleration zones where the additional 28% power and 32% torque from the R's flash will be very well utilised!

Whilst you could flash the Porsche too, the increases are only 5% power and 9% torque. But still, the purchase price difference is a killer for me

[team_v]

Pretty silly statement there. I actually chose our R as the main family car that the wife can drive the kids to school etc in, but also something I can enjoy being a car enthusiast as well. A nice compromise and certainly not a poser car at all.

Could have got a tiguan with a flash, saved 15-20k and got a bigger boot with the same performance figures and AWD system.

[Sharkie]

Interesting that he 986 boxster s has exactly the same lap time round Nordschleife, (8min 23s)
The 987 S was 5sec faster (8min 18sec)
As a track car, that would make the R good value for money,
A reflash and some track tyres would probably close that 5sec gap and keep it under the price of 5yr old boxster s.

No comparison there I'm afraid .... the R was driven by Hans Joachim Stuck, former Formula 1 driver and DTM driver and current VW test driver .... the Boxster by a motoring journalist ....

Look at the identically engined Cayman S's time of 8:11 when driven by Walter Roehrl, current test Porsche driver, for a lap time of equal standing as far as drivers go ....

Current direct injection Cayman S PDK now has that down to 8:06 as well ....