Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[Candyman]

Golf R -v- Golf GTI

Sorry CM I keep forgetting you got a Friday unit


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From what I saw of yours, I think you got a Saturday arvo unit.

Still, nothing a MKVII wouldn't sort out

[SilvrFoxX]

Re: Golf R -v- Golf GTI

From what I saw of yours, I think you got a Saturday arvo unit.

Still, nothing a MKVII wouldn't sort out

then I guess that's when they made the high quality units.No issues with quality and performance here. Or could be I am just a satisfied owner and have little to complain about



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[Allegiance]

Golf R Engine Differences

Hi Guys,

I was reading on Wikipedia (so it's got to be true ) about the engine differences between the GTI and the R, it listed the following:

Lower compression forged pistons
Strengthened connecting rods
Enlarged wrist pins
Stronger piston rings
Upgraded bearings
Reinforced engine block
Upgraded camshafts (longer duration)
Upgraded injectors (+13% flow)
Larger K04 turbo producing 1.2 bar of boost (+3 PSI over K03 equipped GTI)
Larger intercooler (+30%)
Relocated bypass valve

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is this true for the Australian model? Just interested

[AdamD]

The R runs the (older) belt-driven EA113 motor. The GTI runs the chain-driven EA888. The above may be correct for comparing the Mk5 GTI and Mk6 R engines? Or potentially the Golf GTI ED35, which runs the EA113 Golf R engine in a softer state of tune... (but scratch that, it runs a K04).

As far as I was aware, the intercoolers were effectively the same between the GTI and R... but I could be wrong.

Edit: Moved your post into the Golf R -v- Golf GTI thread... as you're comparing the R and GTI engines.

[WhiteJames]

Focus ST smacks Golf R

Focus ST -v- Golf R (USA)

Bear in mind that the Golf R North American spec is apparently softer in the suspension, but understeers less than the AUS/EURO version Golf R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oapP8qzehI

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Focus ST smacks Golf GTI

Despite the new MK7 Golf GTI with added power-pack & electro-mechanical LSD, hopefully VW will make it more engaging to drive and better value for money a'la Focus ST and Megane RS265. No need to necessary be faster, just more fun to drive with fixed-price servicing schedule & 5 year warranty:

Ford Focus ST v Renault Megane RS265 v VW Golf GTI: Comparison Review | CarAdvice

Cheers.
WJ

[AdamD]

Comparison Review |*CarAdvice

These reviews are endless, and also fairly pointless. They essentially say the same things about each car, but different sources place greater emphasis on some attributes than others. Motor did a GTI vs 86 vs ST review and the former two tied; Wheels preferred the ST. This one prefers the Megane (although I'm sceptical of any review that just quotes manufacturer acceleration figures and doesn't do their own testing). It's really down to personal preference.

[SilvrFoxX]

I was going to say much of the same.. really does seem to be a situation of the same but different. Bang for buck they are all about the same, quality wise the Germans still have it, best handling / ride pick a day and the road surface and your preference and it will come up trumps. Other than that look at resale and your badge commitment

[Club Racer]

hello,

After owning a MkV GTi for 3 years, I am changing up to a MkVI R (MY13), only option is the leather. Couldn't justify the MkVI GTi, as it is only a stop gap till the MkVII. And I got a cracking deal.

The R pulls like a train compared to my Stage 1'd GTi. And I know there has been a lot of debate about what is better on track, it is not a factor for me, I have an Exige for that duty. I just want a storming daily.

Bring on the new year.

Thanks,

Lindsay

[WhiteJames]

Couldn't justify the MkVI GTi, as it is only a stop gap till the MkVII.

Speaking of stop-gap. Neighbour Ray had his Golf R32 up for auction a few weeks ago ... 52,000kms and 5 years old with fancy Pioneer stereo/Nav unit. R32 failed to hit reserve at 33K passing in at 31.5K.

To add insult to injury, he had a provisional deposit on a VW Corporate fully loaded Golf GTI with 19" Golf R wheels, only to inspect the car and find out it had some minor cosmetic damage that had to be fixed by the dealer. The same dealer offered him another VW Corporate Golf GTI with same Golf R wheels, but not fully loaded (minus DCC & Xenons) with 7K off rrp demo price (both GTI had about 5,000kms on odo), but same thing ... Golf GTI just a stop-gap and MK7 Golf GTI around the corner.

Same dealer suggested to Ray that they believe that the Golf GTI MK7 will arrive end of second quarter of 2013 with Golf R towards the end of 2013 as Volkswagen wants a fast roll out of models for the new MK7. Time will tell.

To add further complications ... Ray's R32 is now out of half-baked dealer warranty with the limist of 3K of dealer funded warranty repairs now exhausted (DSG sensor + faulty fuel gauge). The joys of owner a European car that is now 5-10 years old.

For a moment there, I thought we could have put this thread to rest, but with me sticking with the GTI, and Ray rescinding on a Golf R order and now pulling a deposit on a VW Corporate demo Golf GTI, making two failed Golf purchases in as many years ... this thread may well morph into a Mark 7 Golf GTI -v Golf R version.

On a side note ... my GTI is now over 2.5 years old and with 45,000km service recently been performed, has not used a drop of oil, plenty of meat on the brake pads and still with original factory tyres (RE050A) with another good 5K-10K life left in them (XDS diff helps with tyre life in that regard).

Cheers.
WJ

[SilvrFoxX]

I think Ray's expectations are too high, regardless of the quality of his R32 the price is market controlled, he should have taken his money as it is only going to go down from there. The market is now starting to get wash of fully loaded Golf Rs and GTIs only a few years old, maybe he will get someone who really wants an R32.

On a positive note good to hear your car has good life after 2.5 years, mine is only 18 months old and I don't push it hard but it has all those traits except oil consumption, just topped that up the other day but first time so I cant complain

[WhiteJames]

Agree on the comments of neighbour Ray being too picky ... but this relates to his deicsion re: purchase of a new vehicle. Been around the world as to what make & type to purchase and decision keeps going around in circles & with lots of procrastinating.

Should clarify that the R32 would have been sold for 31.5K, but auction house did not call Ray on the day, so R32 did not sell. There were 5 x Golf's (many GTI's MKV and MK6) with all failing to sell on the day.

Auction house advised of reserve price, but market has shifted & reserve price was a bit ambitious on auction house's part.

To add further insult to failure to sell, someone knocked off Ray's brushed aluminium centre console bottle opener while R32 was on display at the prestige auction house. Another $80 expense.

30K sale price puts any Golf at the new Polo GTI price point.

I have no doubtsf about the sturdiness of Volkswagen hard metal running gear. It's the electronics & sensors that don't seem to go the distance that end up costing money in the longer run. Esp. if the sensors are difficult to get to in the case of AWD with extra labour expense.

The half backed dealer warranty necessitates a service every 6 mths & 10,000km to maintain any sort of half-baked warranty. That's at least $800 every six months on a R32 (probably Golf R too) according to Ray. Remember you have an extra too diffs to service. Volkswagen does really need to up the warranty to 5 years & 100,000km with fixed price servicing.

Cheers.
WJ

[Candyman]

Golf R -v- Golf GTI

I thought Ray was buying a Megane ?

He seems to have a duplicate personality

I think Ray is going buy the RenaultSport Megane RS265 high-spec model.
Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

^The decision on what to purchase changes on an almost weekly basis ... BMW, Merc, Kia, Mazda, Volkswagen, Lexus, Volvo, Audi, etc. The decision keeps coming back to Volkswagen, but there is not much point until the MK7 Golf arrives. Analysing the decision has been going on for over 3 years now; but thankfully no decision needs to be made until MK7 arrives.

The Renault RS265 doesn't have a DSG, does have poor dealer network and 3 x RenaultSports in national magazine reviews have left the track on a flatbed truck, with the last being a terminal blown engine. Most other makes don't have this problem.

Moving along ... I'm happy with my GTI, esp. now with geniune Volkswagen Driver Gear Sport lowering springs on DCC - haven't given up too much in overall ride comfort for much better handling - no rush to be putting down a deposit on a MK7 Golf or Polo GTI as was the case with MKV to MK6 Golf GTI. MK6 offered cheaper servicing with external water pump & chain driven camshaft so it's a better long term proposition.

Cheers.
WJ

[Ideo]

I can make up people who fit my absurd criteria as well.