Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[ethosguy]

Well ethosguy, no disrespect or anything, but unless you're actually Gordon Murray or something in real life, I suggest you have a look at who Chad Knaus is, cause I'm pretty sure he knows better than you

Having said that, you sure wouldn't want to be doing that in any normal car at all, and you sure wouldn't want to be doing that in even a race car unless you reaaaally knew what you were doing.

one to let throught to the keeper...had my fun.

[WhiteJames]

If I had a choice between the GTI Ed 35 with EA113 motor and regular GTI with EA888 motor, I'd still take the regular GTI with the smaller turbo. Enquiries I've made so far is that the next gen MK7 Golf R will use the EA888 motor as the EA113 will be phased come MK7 update.
Cheers
WJ

[DCRL]

It's sad when people cant admit that the GTI they purchased is not the best Golf, if you loved golf's so much why would you not buy the Golf R if you could afford it or if you cant, get the GTI Ed 35 which seems like a great little machine for the price. WJ I like your reviews but if someone had $50k to spend on a car I would always tell them to go for a standard Golf rather than GTI.

[walbjj]

It's sad when people cant admit that the GTI they purchased is not the best Golf, if you loved golf's so much why would you not buy the Golf R if you could afford it or if you cant, get the GTI Ed 35 which seems like a great little machine for the price. WJ I like your reviews but if someone had $50k to spend on a car I would always tell them to go for a standard Golf rather than GTI.

This logic is flawed, just because the r is more expensive, doesn't mean it's better for every car buyer. Using commodores as an example, would the grange be better for a bogan than say the gts? Both r commos, one is more than the other, both r similar yet different.
I bought the gti as I couldn't justify $15k. Was the r $15k better, like for like? Would the awd be beneficial for me, even tho its essentially a fwd biased car and the awd kicks In when I'm in trouble? Would the power difference be worth $15k when I can easily achieve that with stg2 tuning?
For me the answer was easy, gti was the better car for my needs.

[SilvrFoxX]

This logic is flawed, just because the r is more expensive, doesn't mean it's better for every car buyer. Using commodores as an example, would the grange be better for a bogan than say the gts? Both r commos, one is more than the other, both r similar yet different.
I bought the gti as I couldn't justify $15k. Was the r $15k better, like for like? Would the awd be beneficial for me, even tho its essentially a fwd biased car and the awd kicks In when I'm in trouble? Would the power difference be worth $15k when I can easily achieve that with stg2 tuning?
For me the answer was easy, gti was the better car for my needs.

** sigh ** and so it goes round.... all this noise and the answer is quite simple, if you can afford it ( this means it every sense ) everyone would buy the R. If not then the GTI is a perfectly capable unit which can command as much respect by owners and admirers alike.

I am yet to see anyone post, I bought a GTI cause the R is garbage and then spent the 10 - 15K difference ( if indeed that's what you believe it is) making it perform and look like an R

I tip my hat to the GTIs both new and old when I am out and about and still think they are a neat looking piece of kit. To be clear if the money issue was removed from the table and the keys to an R and a GTI were there for the taking there would be a race for the R keys. The same can be said for all the different car ranges not just VW.. it is human nature

Now back to appreciating both these great cars in whatever form they take

[sabloke]

You don't need $10-15k to make a GTI perform like an R. All you need is a $2k remap and to ask two of your mates to sit on the back seat. Oh well, that alone might cost you a six pack but there's still a long way to $10k

[Ideo]

** sigh ** and so it goes round.... all this noise and the answer is quite simple, if you can afford it ( this means it every sense ) everyone would buy the R. If not then the GTI is a perfectly capable unit which can command as much respect by owners and admirers alike.

I am yet to see anyone post, I bought a GTI cause the R is garbage and then spent the 10 - 15K difference ( if indeed that's what you believe it is) making it perform and look like an R

I tip my hat to the GTIs both new and old when I am out and about and still think they are a neat looking piece of kit. To be clear if the money issue was removed from the table and the keys to an R and a GTI were there for the taking there would be a race for the R keys. The same can be said for all the different car ranges not just VW.. it is human nature

Now back to appreciating both these great cars in whatever form they take

Yep. Both good cars.

But if I see one more GTI with R black mirrors and LED lights I might get a bit cranky. You didn't buy an R. You bought a GTI. Both good cars. Stop pretending your car is something different. You are as bad as someone who buys an evo bodykit for a lancer.

[SilvrFoxX]

. You are as bad as someone who buys an evo bodykit for a lancer.

I would put your flame suit on now.. that one is going to get attention..

[Ideo]

I would put your flame suit on now.. that one is going to get attention..

Ok, ok, a Type R sticker for a Honda Integra VTi-R then.

[Footguy]

Pretty sure black mirror caps were going on GTI's way before the R came along. (Disclaimer, bout to get a set to match my Gloss black Ck's)

R LED brake lights are sweet.... LED DRL's are now naff...period. Unless you have an Audi A5.

[adzy]

You don't need $10-15k to make a GTI perform like an R. All you need is a $2k remap and to ask two of your mates to sit on the back seat. Oh well, that alone might cost you a six pack but there's still a long way to $10k

So true, once an R is rolling there is nothing in it. They do have the hole shot advantage due to the haldex but once both cars are rolling it is suprising how little there is in it.
The power to weight ratio of a stage 1 GTI is a lot better than that of a stock R, but then the R has that crazy AWD traction, rain, hail and shine.

[Ideo]

So true, once an R is rolling there is nothing in it. They do have the hole shot advantage due to the haldex but once both cars are rolling it is suprising how little there is in it.
The power to weight ratio of a stage 1 GTI is a lot better than that of a stock R, but then the R has that crazy AWD traction, rain, hail and shine.

Yep, all good points well made.

[Rob_R]

I would put your flame suit on now.. that one is going to get attention..

Well when my R gets here I'm going to make some changes.

Detune it to be at GTI power, convert it to FWD, fit GTI OE mags, dump the LED tails for Std GTI tails, spray it Red.

Oh wait.... damn why didn't I just buy a GTI in the first place????




Hey C'Mon guys just pokin the bear.

[DCRL]

What I would like to see a review and debate on Audi S3 and Golf R, like for like

[Corey_R]

What I would like to see a review and debate on Audi S3 and Golf R, like for like

Ausmotive.com wrote a review of the Golf R about a year ago. That's written by an owner of an Audi S3, and several other Golf's etc...