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  • I haven't experienced any slippage of the box or it shifting into neutral yet. One thing I noticed is that when you coast in D, the trip computer will read 0L/100km. But if you coast in N, the trip computer will not be 0L/100km. They must be using different calculating methods.
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    • Originally posted by MkVIGTI View Post
      I haven't experienced any slippage of the box or it shifting into neutral yet. One thing I noticed is that when you coast in D, the trip computer will read 0L/100km. But if you coast in N, the trip computer will not be 0L/100km. They must be using different calculating methods.
      Hey MkVIGTI. Firstly, don't coast in N with a DSG, because the gearbox won't be getting lubricated properly and may overheat (this is documented in the owners manual).

      But next, the behavour you describe is true of any (most?) manual cars - but not (most?) auto's. Keep in mind that the DSG whilst categorised as an "auto" is really just two manual gearboxes strapped together with an automated clutch/shifting operation.

      In a manual gear, when you are coasting in gear, as long as the revs are high enough, the motion of the car back through the wheels and drivetrain is enough to turn over the engine without any fuel being supplied. Therefore the fuel consumption is 0 - or 0L/100km. However, as soon as you take the car out of gear and place it in Neutral, or put your foot on the clutch whilst it's in gear, you're then disconnecting the gearbox and wheels from the engine. This means the car needs to supply fuel to the engine to keep it idling.

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      • There is a good reason why truck drivers refer to neutral as "Angel Gear"...
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        • Just learnt something new today then, thanks Corey
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          • I had my GT Golf serviced at Camden GTI yesterday and Bea found a heap of fault codes for the DSG He cleared them but they came back
            He refereed me to Barlow's at Five dock ,and he even rang the Service Foreman explaining the faults so its booked in for next Tuesday ,
            I'll let you all know the out come .

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            • I like everything about the DSG, except:
              1. Having to stop at the bottom of my driveway (to make sure 1st gear is selected) before driving up (it's a steep driveway). Unless 1st gear is selected, 2nd gear just slipppppppps the whole way up. AND:
              2. Stop start traffic, if you don't stop the car completely (for it to go into 1st gear) then accelerating in 2nd gear sometimes slippppppppps most of the way from say 5km/h to 25km/h before changing to 3rd at about 30km/h. Very weird!

              Fixxxer
              Lapiz Blue DSG Golf 7R

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              • Originally posted by Fixxxer View Post
                1. Having to stop at the bottom of my driveway (to make sure 1st gear is selected) before driving up (it's a steep driveway). Unless 1st gear is selected, 2nd gear just slipppppppps the whole way up.
                You don't have to stop. Just push the DSG lever to the left (i.e. into M) and it'll automatically swap from 2nd to 1st and stay there. Then you can pull it back to the right after you're on the street/flat. I do that as well as I've got a 3m+ raise in around 8m! (it's a stupid driveway, I don't know how the council let them build it that steep... even the council inspectors have fallen down it whilst WALKING).
                Originally posted by Fixxxer View Post
                2. Stop start traffic, if you don't stop the car completely (for it to go into 1st gear) then accelerating in 2nd gear sometimes slippppppppps most of the way from say 5km/h to 25km/h before changing to 3rd at about 30km/h. Very weird!
                Don't be too concerned about that. Since you have a 6 speed DSG like me, our clutches are bathed in oil. This keeps them from overheating.

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                • On the subject of the DSG hillholder, there seems to be long delay before it releases the brake and you can move. Can it be adjusted or is that it.
                  2010 MY11 GOLF R - 3DR | DSG |CANDY WHITE | WSID 400m 12.1 @ 111 MPH

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                  • Originally posted by wooduck View Post
                    On the subject of the DSG hillholder, there seems to be long delay before it releases the brake and you can move. Can it be adjusted or is that it.
                    You don't have to wait till it releases; just apply throttle and the brake will release as you pull away (there is some minor hesitation before the brakes release). Waiting till the hill hold feature times out is defeating the purpose of the feature.
                    2008 MkV Volkswagen Golf R32 DSG
                    2005 MkV Volkswagen Golf 2.0 FSI Auto
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                    • The hill holder is terrible. Mine will hold for its set time (seems about 2 seconds) regardless of my attempts to accelerate. The car just pulls against the brakes revving and going nowhere. Then all of a sudden it releases and you head off with a jolt. Others have mentioned the same thing.
                      I have found 2 ways round it. One is to use the handbrake and take your foot off the brake, then do a normal manual hill start with the handbrake. The other is to go from the brake to the accelerator VERY quickly, the hill holder then lets go straight away. You have to wait for the car infront to have started moving to do this, but this works well for me and is how I always drive off on hills.
                      2010 MY10 Golf R (Sold) - 5 Door, DSG, Rising Blue, Leather, ACC, Satnav, Dynadio, Sunroof, MDI, Electric Seat.
                      2015 MY16 Golf GTI - 5 Door, DSG, Carbon Grey, Leather, Sunroof, DAP.

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                      • *shrugs* I have a crappy hill straight outside of my work. Many people spin their wheels even in the dry. You've got little chance of a clean take off in the wet. Never had an issue with the hill holder. As AdamD said, just push the accelerator as you normally would for that gradient of hill, and it'll release.

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                        • Originally posted by Corey_R View Post
                          You don't have to stop. Just push the DSG lever to the left (i.e. into M) and it'll automatically swap from 2nd to 1st and stay there. Then you can pull it back to the right after you're on the street/flat. I do that as well as I've got a 3m+ raise in around 8m! (it's a stupid driveway, I don't know how the council let them build it that steep... even the council inspectors have fallen down it whilst WALKING).

                          Don't be too concerned about that. Since you have a 6 speed DSG like me, our clutches are bathed in oil. This keeps them from overheating.

                          Agreed, youdo have to slip it to the M or S mode to get 1st, but my question is:

                          Why should you have to? Can't the ecu recognise that the car is on an incline and it needs 1st?

                          My gripe is that sometimes, when you slow down enough in D, it will change to 1st, and then jolt into 2nd when it can't make it's mind up. I don't know if this is just a 7speed issue or what, but it's done it a few times now and scared the crap out of my passengers! Smooth... It wasn't!

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                          • The problem described is that it's in 2nd BEFORE it goes up the ramp. So until we get cameras in the front of our cars which the cars can perform image recognition on, what you need to do is push the lever left...

                            For what it's worth, it DOES change to 1st on the ramp, but you really want to be in 1st to start with

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                            • Originally posted by Corey_R View Post
                              The problem described is that it's in 2nd BEFORE it goes up the ramp. So until we get cameras in the front of our cars which the cars can perform image recognition on, what you need to do is push the lever left...

                              For what it's worth, it DOES change to 1st on the ramp, but you really want to be in 1st to start with

                              Yes, but mine stays in 2nd and keeps trying to stay in 2nd for about 10m before it changes. From my understanding, it's not a wet plate clutch on the 7sp. So is this doing it harm? But once it is on the ramp, shouldn't it detect that 2nd is a no go? I know it doesn't like reversing up hill, it will slip the clutch then release it without warning and you roll forwards down the hill again. Handbrake helps, but still the same problem.

                              Also, why doesn't it start in first? there are times I've started in second where in a normal manual I'd start in first resulting in me having to floor it to get into a gap in peak hour traffic instead of gently accelerating to fit into the gap.

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                              • I see in the USA they have extended the warranty on DSG to 10 years ,i wish our government would do the same ?

                                Recent update: VW has extended the warranty on all DSG or S-tronic transmission for 10 years/100,000 miles, transferable to subsequent owners for 2006-2009 model years. This covers the R32, Jetta, GTI, Eos, and Audi TT and A3 and only applies to a "limited production range", whatever that means. It's unrelated to the recall mentioned below. To see if your past repair or current car is covered you have to call the VW loyalty center at 1-800-444-8982. A .pdf copy of the warranty extension for DSG transmission letter that was sent to owners is to the right.

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