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  • #16
    Originally posted by elisiX View Post
    Right so the pricing VW state on their site uses the $2k DD... however the dealer may give you a full RRP including a $3k or even $4k DD.

    I wonder what their response would be when you ask them why they charge up to $2000 more than VW states as a RRP. How can it be justified?
    Simple, you're free to buy elsewhere or buy another car if you don't like it. This isn't a communist society (yet) and retailers can set their prices however they like.

    At the end of the day, you're going to be negotiating a lower price anyway right? Unless of course its a vehicle in high demand which they wont budge on.
    And this is your choice, don't like the price than don't buy it. Really want the car? Pay the price on offer and enjoy it.
    website: www.my-gti.com

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    • #17
      Originally posted by team_v View Post
      The conditions on the drive away prices in the first post would rule out 75% of VW owners.
      Not in Queensland they wouldn't and the price difference in other states for younger drivers is negligible. For business use as well it doesn't vary by a huge amount.
      website: www.my-gti.com

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      • #18
        Mav you really are a blunt know it all aren't you.

        How about taking the tone that people use in their responses into consideration before responding with such attitude.
        Last edited by elisiX; 01-03-2010, 09:01 AM.
        2019 BMW M3 CS

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        • #19
          wow what a surprise

          don quixote maverick the dealers' advocate tilting at windminds yet again

          not a day goes by that i don't wanna hear about things from the poor beleaguered dealer's standpoint

          my heart bleeds <piss> for them

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          • #20
            Gee whizz guys, what's with you all??? If you haven't already read it, read this post:

            Help on posting to this website. Images, profiles etc. as well as your suggestions on the layout of your VWW.


            If you've already seen it, READ IT AGAIN

            and then take a breath, and if you still can't speak nicely then don't speak (post) at all. Feels like I'm talking to kids...


            Back on-topic...

            As has been posted already here, RRP are RECOMMENDED prices only. They are not legally enforceable but are a good step in the right direction with regards to transparency of pricing and competition. If the dealer you go to doesn't want to meet the RRP, then go somewhere else...

            Getting a good price on your new car... priceless. Being a big tool on an internet forum... hmmm that makes someone *really* special.

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            • #21
              Infractions have been given for uncessary and inflammatory personal posts. Keep the conversation on topic or the infractions will continue to flow freely...

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              • #22
                Right so I receive an infraction notice for pulling Maverick up on being so brutally direct.

                It's not like this is a one off - he does it in just about every response he gives.

                I was pointing out the fact that he should try and determine the tone in which the earlier responder used before going off half baked.
                2019 BMW M3 CS

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by elisiX View Post
                  Right so I receive an infraction notice for pulling Maverick up on being so brutally direct.
                  Yep. Because the way in which you did so was unnecessary and inflammatory. And if you wish to continue this argument online then please do so, but note that you will be infracted again for each subsequent off-topic and further inflammatory and unnecessary post.

                  If you have an issue with an infraction, please take it up via PM to the mods or admins of the site.

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                  • #24
                    Easy there Maverick

                    Originally posted by Maverick View Post
                    Blame Krudd and his stupid laws and the states and they complicated ways they screw us when buying a car. Stamp duties, registration and so on all vary according to age, purpose of the vehicle and so forth. To provide prices for every option wouldn't be feasible so they provide the most common one.
                    In another post somewhere in this forum you took a young potential buyer to task over not understanding that insurance premiums could vary from location to location and correctly explained to him that the insurance companies use claims statistics to set their premiums.

                    I doubt that you can provide any evidence where stamp duties and registration vary according to age. What does vary comes back to your insurance argument. It is the compulsory third party premium that varies both with age, location, use etc but the difference is really pretty minimal in the overall price of a motor vehicle.

                    Dealer Delivery is really a sugar coated way of saying extra dealer profit. There is no way it can be justified as it was in the past as predelivery preparation of the vehicle.

                    Dealer Delivery grew up under the old wholesale tax regime where sales tax was paid on the wholesale price of the car and it lowered the overall price to the consumer if "dealer delivery" was not included in the wholesale price as there was no sales tax on "services" before the GST.

                    Now it is very much the negotiating area for the dealer. On My CC retail dealer delivery was $2995. Corporate dealer delivery $995 - probably why my wheel alignment was out and no RNS510 DVD in the glovebox (just joking). This deficiency is probably shared by the dealer and VWA.

                    Please be kind to those of us who just like our cars but can see that the cars, the dealers and VWA may, and only may, be susceptible to having some minor flaws.

                    As far as sales negotiation is concerned, the only way everyone is happy in the deal is when you THINK you have screwed the dealer and the dealer KNOWS he has screwed you.

                    If you think this reply is a little bit "maverikish" in tone, please accept my apologies in advance as I do value a lot of the information you have provided in many areas of this forum and especially on gti.com. Together with Swallowtail, you have provided my inspiration to spend my money with Ross-Tech, so I can sit in the darkened garage with my PC and enhance my love affair with the CC.
                    You know you are getting old when you cancel your order for a 3.6 CC and buy an Icelandic Gray TDI CC instead.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Highlander View Post
                      ...so I can sit in the darkened garage with my PC and enhance my love affair with the CC.
                      I don't know whether to be proud or scared...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by elisiX View Post
                        Right so I receive an infraction notice for pulling Maverick up on being so brutally direct.

                        It's not like this is a one off - he does it in just about every response he gives.

                        I was pointing out the fact that he should try and determine the tone in which the earlier responder used before going off half baked.
                        you and me both

                        pretty pathetic all round

                        it's nice to get a 'feel' for a forum

                        apparently going on an on about the same old tosh is fine as long as it's sympathatic to dealers

                        but any kind of quasi "aggressive" tone is censured... apparently the 'men' here can't take it...

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                        • #27
                          Dermot - thank you for expressing your thoughts without being offensive or sarcastic. I agree with some of your points, although feel that you may be a little biased from some others... and that is fine - your position dictates that there will be more understanding for one side of this discussion than others.

                          To everyone - please note that if this discussion turns into another dealer-bashing / member-bashing / pointlessly argumentative / aggressive thread it will be closed.

                          There is plenty of interesting discussion to be had around these subjects without any of that...

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                          • #28
                            we hear a lot about how hard 'dealers' are doing it in this economic climate... so is every business

                            i thought this forum would take the perspective of the consumer... why else would you guys go to the effort of coming up with a spreadsheet with all the options and pricing all clearly marked

                            isn't it normal to go to multiple dealers and get them to battle it out?

                            why is this any different from any other make?

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                            • #29
                              That's just the thing - I dont have anything against dealers. I managed to negotiate myself a good deal - happy with it. What I said was that if the RRP by VW is stated based on $1995 DD, but the dealer wants to change $3999 (usually $2999), then you should ask them to justify it. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less. Instead Mav replied with a tone that rubbed me the wrong way when I was just making a point. Only then did it become personal for which I was penalized (not my forum so I have to swallow (pun intended) it).
                              2019 BMW M3 CS

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                              • #30
                                Absolutely agree that you should make the dealer work for the deal. If they want more than RRP ask them to justify it, and if they can't to your satisfaction then you have the ultimate consumer's right - walk away.

                                Elisix - if Mav's tone rubbed you up the wrong way then I would suggest that you need to read more in the content and less in the perceived intent... Maverick's posts were factual and correct, albeit expressed in a somewhat blunt manner.

                                As to 'swallowing' it... that's really bad...

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