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  • #46
    They never ask questions!

    I work in sales (not automotive, but major capital investments) and I've been taught to ask questions about the customer's needs. Examples might include: What do you drive now? What do you like about it? What don't you like about it? What are the implications of what you don't like (hopefully worded better than that)! What are you hoping the new car might provide you? From there, we can perhaps have a decent conversation about the car and how I plan to use it.

    All I got asked was: how much do you want to spend, what's your trade-in and how long are you prepared to wait? If anyone had bothered to ask me, they would have learned that the things most important to me were servicing costs and ease of getting the car fixed. Not one person asked me, and I would have paid a premium for a dealer who offered free pick-up and drop-off. So, I shopped around, got the cheapest price and will simply take the car to the nearest VW dealer.


    Cars are the typically the second-most expensive purchase any of us make (after a property), yet the sales guys treat the consumers with a fairly high degree of disdain. I spoke with four dealers - they all got told I wanted a particular trade-in and a particular purchase price. I never shared with the dealers what another dealer quoted me, and simply asked them to give me their best deal. I reckon that's ethical, and it's what I expect of my customers.

    I got quoted multiple different prices for exactly the same car and options. I got $2k variations in dealer delivery charges. I was told things which I knew to be factually incorrect about the car. I got told they wouldn't bother giving me a trade-in because the car wouldn't be available for six months. A dealer twice implied I was a liar when I had in fact been completely honest (related to the prices I had been quoted by other dealers as well as vehicle availability).

    I finally bought from a guy who was straight with me and simply quoted me a sharp changeover price with a vehicle available pretty quickly. To be honest, the joy of buying the car is eliminated by the behaviour of many of the sales folks. I suspect they get treated like s**t by a lot of customers who try to be too smart, and take a pre-emptive approach by showing disdain for the punters, but all I really wanted was to be treated with the respect one would expect when you are spending in excess of $50k.

    Do I have a recommendation? Yeah, shop around, be honest and find somebody who treats you with respect. The sales manager at Central Coast VW was very straight with me, but couldn't match the price I was quoted elsewhere.

    Oh, and if you're buying a BMW, speak with Paul at Trivett Parramatta. He ticked all the boxes for me, but unfortunately I didn't want to stretch my budget to the Beemer. He's solid-gold.

    If anyone from VW is reading, you might want to think about getting some of your sales people trained in client-centred sales approaches. And maybe test them on their product knowledge. It's pretty woeful.

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    • #47
      From reading on here, i do have a little sympathy for car salesman... don't shoot me yet.

      But so many people have so many different versions of their "ideal" type of salesman. Some people look for the friendly approach, some people look for the business approach, some people like truthful answers from salesman etc etc the list goes on.

      I think some people are being a bit harsh with salesman, even myself. I have hated some dealers, but others loved going to those dealers.

      It is not an excuse for salesman to say they don't have time come back another day, but i can guarantee that those occasions occured on a weekend? and people just did a walk in. If you are going to go to a dealer on a weekend, i definitely recommend you to book in, especially at a busy dealership, if more people book in to look at cars dealers would naturally have more people on the day to serve customers, i definitely don't expect on a busy saturday to just walk in and expect a salesman to dedicate an hour to a customer, sometimes even myself i question whether they judge whether a person can afford a car or not, i think it is part of their job in a way. They have to serve as many customers as possible. By calling in and booking, they know your name already, they know you are interested, they won't judge you, well less anyway.

      There are some really bad salesman out there but i think most just try to do their job.

      The most important thing is your luck, i mentioned a few weeks back on this thread that i'm a mystery shopper, therefore i have actually experienced alot of the salesman you guys have mentioned, and some who were classed as "bad" were actually good, and some classed as "good" were actually bad. Not calling you guys a liar, but i think it is all down to luck.

      Back to the type of salesman people expect. it is so different for different people, when i think about a salesman, i expect them to know alot about the car, can explain the differences between their own brand, and rival's car as well, bias towards their own car is to be expected but they need to know at the the simple things, like ncap safety level, fuel efficiency, type of material etc. Those are simple things salesman need to know, and quite frankly alot of them don't know the details of their cars, but to some who have researched the car don't ask those questions, and if the salesman let you hoon around the car (test drive) customers seem to be happy that way, but in reality how good of a salesman are they?

      In terms of negotiations, this is a tough one, they have their tricks on how to get the best price, but for example for VW, now all vw have to sell at the same price. Especially the busier dealers, lets say a golf $30k, it depends on the dealer's location, the number of staff, rent etc etc. At a place which is cheaper rent, they can probably be able to offer it to you for 28k, but at a place where rent is higher, more staff, they probably can't do it for under 30k. I think some salesman have been told that, and when people go up and try to negotiate, they should explain it better, instead of just calling people liars. At the end of the day, the more popular the car, the less negotiation a person can have, especially busy area, they don't have to deal with you, you might feel like you weren't treated right, but that is just business.

      anyways there are alot of differences and i can go all night, but those are just some of my views.

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      • #48
        My experiences:

        Test drives at Five Dock - excellent. Proivded keys to two different models within 2 mins of walking in - rang ahead though - would advise this. Provided excellent quote with minimal haggling however couldn't provide all car availability info - something about problems with stock controllers. After chasing the salesman for over a week gave up and tried VW Mascot.

        VW Mascot met the VW Five Dock quote, and within 30 mins had located a car with my requested specs, provided how many km's were on it (have been burnt before when presented with a 'new' car with 250km's on it - dealer then tried to force the sale), and advised they could have it ready in 4 days. Signed the contract - all over the phone.

        Don't fully understand why the car manufacturers don't force dealers to get their act together. I nearly walked away from a Tiguan and bought a forester because the VW Five Dock dealership was either too busy, lasy or inefficient to provide basic stock availability information. A sister dealership took only 30 minutes to get me the required info and got the sale on the spot.

        Anyway, pick up next Friday.
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        • #49
          Mario Basso from VW Chatswood (Chatswood Classic Cars)... he's the best called 3 different dealers...they can't even match what chatswoods offer to me.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by jeeteeay View Post
            Mario Basso from VW Chatswood (Chatswood Classic Cars)... he's the best called 3 different dealers...they can't even match what chatswoods offer to me.
            Had a totally different experience with Mario. Wasted a whole day negotiating with him and Lawrence. Suffice to say, we won't be going back to CCC ever.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Hail View Post
              Everyone will have different experiences.

              I can recommend Tony from Denlo in Parramatta, and I can suggest not going to Barloworld Five Dock.
              Agree'd. Tony was really good at his job from Parra Denlo. And it only added to the experience, the fact that all the staff on floor were attentive and concerned all the time. Felt like shopping at LV!! Its who I went with, but Brookvale were really good to (James Collins).

              But Mascot.. was simply the worst dealership experience I had in my entire life buying anything from anyone. It was the most disgusting thing I had ever seen, and nearly made me go back to buying Subaru. The sales people slimey and the manager even worse.

              If I was a prick, a letter to VW could bring the wrong attention to the employment status' of those 2.

              Steer clear!!!!
              Last edited by REXman; 07-06-2010, 01:54 AM.
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              • #52
                Hey guys. After months of waiting for it to be released, I finally test drove and ordered my 3 door Golf R today.
                I just wanted to give all you guys a head up. Mathew Gazzard from Denlo Volkswagen at Parramatta was great to deal with and gave me a price that I'm very pleased with. If anyone in the Sydney area is looking for a great purchasing experience on a Volkswagen, I thoroughly recommend that you shoot him an email or give him a call on his direct line:

                mathew.gazzard@inchcape.com.au
                (02) 9828 9716

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by coreying View Post
                  Hey guys. After months of waiting for it to be released, I finally test drove and ordered my 3 door Golf R today.
                  I just wanted to give all you guys a head up. Mathew Gazzard from Denlo Volkswagen at Parramatta was great to deal with and gave me a price that I'm very pleased with. If anyone in the Sydney area is looking for a great purchasing experience on a Volkswagen, I thoroughly recommend that you shoot him an email or give him a call on his direct line:

                  mathew.gazzard@inchcape.com.au
                  (02) 9828 9716

                  congrats Coreying, specs please
                  2010 MY11 GOLF R - 5DR | DSG | RISING BLUE | DYNAUDIO + ACC + BLUETOOTH + 19s + RNS510 |

                  2017 MY17 TIGUAN HIGHLINE - 5DR | DSG | PEARL BLACK | SUNROOF + DAP |

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                  • #54
                    MY11 Golf R 3 Door DSG....
                    Last edited by Corey_R; 14-06-2010, 09:09 PM.

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                    • #55
                      Yep. Thing is I want ACC, but instead went the extra doors.. now Im wondering If I should get ACC as well.. PATHETIC!! I keep adding stuff.. It started off being a Golf GTI 3DR in manual.. haha

                      And yeah, your car sounds nice.

                      Cant wait to get mine though..

                      PS the RVC option is awesome too.. can I retro fit it, whilst still getting the flip down VW badge?
                      Last edited by Corey_R; 14-06-2010, 09:08 PM. Reason: Removed quote.
                      2010 MY11 GOLF R - 5DR | DSG | RISING BLUE | DYNAUDIO + ACC + BLUETOOTH + 19s + RNS510 |

                      2017 MY17 TIGUAN HIGHLINE - 5DR | DSG | PEARL BLACK | SUNROOF + DAP |

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                      • #56
                        It's not worth retro fitting it. If you want it, get it from the factory... it'll end up costing you DCC money otherwise

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                        • #57
                          I went through Russell at Deno Parramatta. At the end of the day, he is a nice guy, gave me the price i was chasing, didn't bulls#$t about delivery time frames, we both understood each other perfectly, pick up the car next Wednesday.

                          He was the cheapest out of VW Chatswood, VW Barloworld Mascot.
                          [COLOR="blue"]2010 GTI, CW, Bi-Xenons, Sunroof, Leather, MDI, 18" Detroits, Dyna Audio, Sat Nav & a complimentary bottle opener (Great Idea)[/COLOR]

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                          • #58
                            Another very recent sale through Denlo and Russell. I did quite a bit of shopping around and am still waiting (over 2 weeks) for some dealers to call me back, even after following up a few times from dealers much closer...

                            Maybe it's just a busy period with the whole EOFYS stuff, but some guys made me feel like they were doing me a favour just talking to me and valuing my trade. Funniest moment was a dealer that tried to crunch me on a buy today or lose it approach. He wanted me to deal on a Black/DSG/17"/Cloth, while I was looking for a Red/Manual/18"/Leather....

                            I've worked in sales for around 20 years but was amazed at the general lack of listening or follow up, except of course for Russell, who was also busy, but did spend the time with me, no spin and also as a result did the deal.
                            On order - 2010 MY10 Golf GTI - 5 Dr | Manual | Tornado Red | ACC | 18" Detroits | Sunroof | Sat Nav with Dynaudio | MDI | Leather | Bluetooth

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by coreying View Post
                              It's not worth retro fitting it. If you want it, get it from the factory... it'll end up costing you DCC money otherwise
                              lol ok

                              Originally posted by COZ GTI View Post
                              I went through Russell at Deno Parramatta. At the end of the day, he is a nice guy, gave me the price i was chasing, didn't bulls#$t about delivery time frames, we both understood each other perfectly, pick up the car next Wednesday.

                              He was the cheapest out of VW Chatswood, VW Barloworld Mascot.
                              Originally posted by DaveB View Post
                              Another very recent sale through Denlo and Russell. I did quite a bit of shopping around and am still waiting (over 2 weeks) for some dealers to call me back, even after following up a few times from dealers much closer...

                              Maybe it's just a busy period with the whole EOFYS stuff, but some guys made me feel like they were doing me a favour just talking to me and valuing my trade. Funniest moment was a dealer that tried to crunch me on a buy today or lose it approach. He wanted me to deal on a Black/DSG/17"/Cloth, while I was looking for a Red/Manual/18"/Leather....

                              I've worked in sales for around 20 years but was amazed at the general lack of listening or follow up, except of course for Russell, who was also busy, but did spend the time with me, no spin and also as a result did the deal.
                              Good to hear. I agree real good dealers at Parramatta Denlo. Professionals at what they do, and great guys to deal with.
                              2010 MY11 GOLF R - 5DR | DSG | RISING BLUE | DYNAUDIO + ACC + BLUETOOTH + 19s + RNS510 |

                              2017 MY17 TIGUAN HIGHLINE - 5DR | DSG | PEARL BLACK | SUNROOF + DAP |

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                              • #60
                                margaret at barloworld five dock is bad, friendly and nice person, but ordered my car wrong
                                lied about delivery date. told me my car would dock on 31st of march, then i checked vin it got loaded on bremen on 31st of march, but i suppose a decent price and the sales maanger yan fixed the problem pretty good

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