What to buy? GTI or R20

[backdoc]

That's not too bad, but assumed elisiX was talking about a brand new one every two years which isn't really the same. Helps to sell them with warranty, which isn't hard if you can extend it after 3 years.

Just curious as i've never pulled out from a deal before, but how do you possibly get a deposit back from the dealer outside the cooling offer period?

Also in response to the earlier comments, I do buy new cars every 2-3 years and yes, its bloody expensive to do so. Sounds like your onto a good thing backdoc.

yeah it seems to work well. Some people have more money than sense, not you of course

Depends how important having a new car is. I've done it once and I'm about to do it next week again so getting excited after a 4.5 month wait.

2 of my patients have already paid deposits for the R at Barloworld. They've been told mid year deliveries. Both have specified the blue. I reckon the CW would look the biz with black mirrors and with black wheels. That'll be my order once I have a drive.

I just told the wife I'm buying one. She just gave me a long blank stare before shaking her head in silence. Too funny.

[iBoost]

lol @ backdoc's wife, too funny!

The R looks great, I might pick one up in 3 years time in place of the GTI.

[G-rig]

2 of my patients have already paid deposits for the R at Barloworld. They've been told mid year deliveries. Both have specified the blue. I reckon the CW would look the biz with black mirrors and with black wheels. That'll be my order once I have a drive.

Yeah, I'd be happy with Blue or CW. Blue would be the one, same as with the R32's.

[Lima]

Just curious as i've never pulled out from a deal before, but how do you possibly get a deposit back from the dealer outside the cooling offer period?

You be nice to them, suck up to them and remind them how easy it will be to re-use your build spot, or if the car is already made, how easy it will be for them to sell the car. Might help if you can find them a buyer too.

[elisiX]

hmm, just sounds like a really dodgy thing to do - the deal is done so to speak. I guess with a hot ticket item such as the GTI - especially one that was bargained on - they might be happy to have something coming soon that they can sit tight on and not budge too much on price "but itll be here in 2 months not 6". Either way, as I said before.. not really sure if a bog stock S3 @ $62-65k is as attractive to me over a new R with a few options at similar money. If anything this exercise has made me look at the second hand market though - certainly some incredible 1-2yo S3's to pickup for well under their original sale price.

[G-rig]

It's not ideal but I wouldnt worry about it too much, they would easily be able to sell it given the demand and wait etc. I've managed to get a few deposits back over the years but would be easier for you to change your mind if you were still buying something from VW (Ie upgrading to the R).

Although you'd probably kick yourself if you didn't wait till the R came out to make a fair decision (at which time people would be lining up for them or going back to consider the S3.

Another thing i thought of was the headroom in the S3 wouldn't be as good in the Golf (if it's anything like the old models)?

[elisiX]

Not planning on taking my deposit back. I've only been looking at S3's for a comparison.

The R is the only change I may make. All power and performance of the TT-S for a lot less coin.

[Timbo]

You be nice to them, suck up to them and remind them how easy it will be to re-use your build spot, or if the car is already made, how easy it will be for them to sell the car. Might help if you can find them a buyer too.

QFT

Happens all the time

[elisiX]

lol when I first saw the QFT.. I had to do a double take.

Thought you were giving Lima crap for trolling

[Timbo]

The R is the only change I may make. All power and performance of the TT-S for a lot less coin.

Well, as has been discussed elsewhere, where is that power? TT-S's seem to have been short-changed, relative to the facelift S3

[elisiX]

Ok.. well the TT-S' supposed power.

Is the R20 supposed to be exactly the same as the TT-S or more like the facelifted S3 (which is rated lower from factory)?

[Timbo]

The R20 is quoted as 199FWKw on the VW NZ site, whereas the S3 is 195 in NZ, but something happens to the S3 when the ADR label is applied and it ends up with 188Kw here The TT-S stays at 200, in both cases

[elisiX]

So the stock 188KW S3 rates better or as well as a stock 200KW TT-S ??

That was what we saw at the Dyno day right?

If the R is 200/199KW like the TT, I guess we're expecting the 188KW S3 to still pull similar numbers?

[G-rig]

I didn't think we were getting the 199 like nz, but should retune the same.

All depends on the pricing and discounts, the R isn't worth 20k more than the gti etc.

No real point putting a deposit on one yet IMO.

[Timbo]

So the stock 188KW S3 rates better or as well as a stock 200KW TT-S ??

That was what we saw at the Dyno day right?

A stage 1 TT-S (billecartz) did about the same as a stage 1 pre-facelift S3 (178KwATW). A stock facelift S3 was 170KwATW. There were no stock TT-S or pre-facelift S3's run.