MK6 GTI cancelled - is a R32 an option?

[elisiX]

Mk6 GTI Golf - I had all the options

How much was the GTI you spec'd up? If you ticked too many boxes you should just i'd just consider an S3/R32, won't be disappointed & R32's are a good price for something pretty new.

My GTI RRP was around $51K, I got it on the road for about $46,500 on the top of my head - Had ACC, 18's, Camera etc

Well did you spec it up or not?

If you had 'all the options' then it'd cost well over $55k WITH a similar discount to that which you note above. Now this makes more sense - you're budget is in the mid 40's... not mid 50's to 60k as originally suggested and interpreted by many. If the option is a brand new MK6 GTI with a couple nice options (not all ), versus a 1-2 yo R32 MKV... then you really should go with the MKVI GTI IMO.

[dave_r]

I made the same comments in the Golf R photo thread...
On the w/e I test drove a new S3, GTI and R32.

S3 I was really keen on (even with the price) but just didn't think it was justified, even with their special and negotiating, the car is just way overpriced and the stuff you have to option is stupid. Eg flat bottom wheel, $1k but GTI included? Not sure why people bang on about them other than performance. The GTI is a far nicer car inside and out than the S3.

I drove the R32 because I just wanted to see what they were like. I wouldn't buy one because they can't supply a new one in blue, the older DSG is average and the interior is really dated compared to the Mk6. BUT I see why people buy them. The car brings out some sort of feeling within that just makes you want to drive like an idiot. I loved it hehe.

But in saying all that, I think if you've reached your budget, the GTI is the one I'd be sticking with. I personally ordered a new R. Because it has all the best bits of the new GTI with the performance I liked in the S3. If I had $5k less to spend, I'd have had zero complaints walking out of the dealer with a GTI contract instead.

[Dubya]

The whole point of this thread was the OP stating he didn't realize the car would take so damn long (it sucks I know) and canceled.

He's now considering his options. Lets get back on topic because he has plenty of info on the GTI vs R32 option.

What else is out there? Second hand 08 S3 perhaps.. keep it for a year or so and re evaluate.

No, elisiX, GTI vs R32 is the topic. And the "whole point" (as if it were not bleeding obvious) is whether the OP should order a new GTI or a second hand R32.

The OP did not mention entertaining other options nor did they say they had "plenty of info" about the R32/GTI about which they were specifically asking (and what is it to you if people express their opinions or even rant and why are you telling people to get "on topic" by not talking about R32 vs GTI when that was specifically what the OP asked about?):

Hey guys, . . .

What would you guys prefer?

Mk6 GTI Golf ...

or a 2007 R32 3 dr DSG with recaro seats..

So comments about the R32 are far more germane than those about other makes, including yours re Audi, although I would echo the comment about the 135i being a winner in the $60k - $100k category.

[Sharkie]

I'd stick with the GTI ..... or even better order a Mk6 Golf R now for delivery June this year ....

R32 is slow (compared to lightly modded GTIs ... even a lightly modded Polo GTI will see it off ... 13.9s qrtr ... timeslips posted on this very forum) and heavy on fuel but has a glorious sound to it and AWD traction for tricky roads ....

The R32 will also age quite quickly from now on and values are dropping quickly. Trade already is terrible. Unless you are a R32 enthusiast, you'd be better off spending your money on a more modern car like the Mk6 Golfs.

[Corey_R]

I have looked a few R32's on carsales, and there is not many which kinda sux!!! I have seen a few people mention the GEN 2 controller as a good mod for a R32. Any ideas of the KW output once this is fitted? I presume this is like a ECU reflash?? Is that correct

No. The Gen 2 controller is a replacement to the AWD (Haldex) controller. It just changes the way the power is delivered to the wheels, it is nothing to do with KW or NM or the ECU.

Be careful with that. There are HEAPS of power upgrade options for the GTI and the S3. There is not much upgrade options for the R32 except for going for a really expensive ($10k+) turbo conversion. Don't get me wrong, R32's with turbo conversions are ridiculously awesome, but there is nothing comparable to a GTI's "stage I ecu update" as far as KW for $.

[G-rig]

My GTI RRP was around $51K, I got it on the road for about $46,500 on the top of my head - Had ACC, 18's, Camera etc

That's not a bad deal and if you could get a runaround in the mean time you could stick with the GTI for the price they are good value but so is a used R32 now.

Hard choice..

I have looked a few R32's on carsales, and there is not many which kinda sux!!!

And how many GTI's are on Carsales???

Both are good choices but different but there's a lot of 'mine is better than yours' on here and people defending their purchases which is natural.

The R32 will also age quite quickly from now on and values are dropping quickly. Trade already is terrible. Unless you are a R32 enthusiast, you'd be better off spending your money on a more modern car like the Mk6 Golfs.

You also lose a lot buying new cars, and he'd save money getting the R32 second hand.

[G-rig]

If I "bothered" to check whether you had fixed your mistakes? Why would you expect me to check?

But one more time, G-rig:

1. None of the quotes of mine you have included in this thread and purport to be from this thread are from this thread; and

2. Even those "quotes" from the other thread you pasted in here contain words I did not write.

Didn't expect you to get upset about it, people muck up the quotes all the time (I went to the trouble of fixing it so chillax).

The point is you copied your own post from another thread saying how the "R32 is an abomination" which could come across as trolling.

Be careful with that. There are HEAPS of power upgrade options for the GTI and the S3. There is not much upgrade options for the R32 except for going for a really expensive ($10k+) turbo conversion. Don't get me wrong, R32's with turbo conversions are ridiculously awesome, but there is nothing comparable to a GTI's "stage I ecu update" as far as KW for $.

This can be a good thing to stop you going nuts with spending on turbo car upgrades (which is why i got mine). I came to the conclusion you can't use all the power on the streets anyway, and that the S3 etc. would be more suited to the track. In the end it still wont be as good as a dedicated track car.

[elisiX]

No, elisiX, GTI vs R32 is the topic. And the "whole point" (as if it were not bleeding obvious) is whether the OP should order a new GTI or a second hand R32.

Hey guys,

I ordered my Mk6 GTI in Nov, however due to extended delays ( I was told delivery around April today) I have cancelled my order now im back to square one...

What would you guys prefer?

Mk6 GTI Golf - I had all the options

or a 2007 R32 3 dr DSG with recaro seats..

He did order a GTI but changed his mind due to delays (which aren't even delays when the car cant even be built until Feb!)

So he either didnt ask the question about delivery when he ordered in November, or he was lied to by the dealer about estimated delivery.

He's already exaggerated about how many options he chose vs cost so who knows.

The OP did not mention entertaining other options nor did they say they had "plenty of info" about the R32/GTI about which they were specifically asking (and what is it to you if people express their opinions or even rant and why are you telling people to get "on topic" by not talking about R32 vs GTI when that was specifically what the OP asked about?)

I agree he was specifically asking about the GTI/R32. What I meant to explain in my response to that was that there is plenty of information available on this forum and many others for him to make a decision. What he doesn't need is a bunch of you twats having a childish cry in this thread comparing e-penises. Anyone can do a simple search I am sure to read about this exact argument.

What is it to me? Mate wake up to yourself. This thread took a turn when you decided to call the R32 an abomination which was not necessary.

[lawsy82]

He did order a GTI but changed his mind due to delays (which aren't even delays when the car cant even be built until Feb!)

So he either didnt ask the question about delivery when he ordered in November, or he was lied to by the dealer about estimated delivery.

He's already exaggerated about how many options he chose vs cost so who knows.



I agree he was specifically asking about the GTI/R32. What I meant to explain in my response to that was that there is plenty of information available on this forum and many others for him to make a decision. What he doesn't need is a bunch of you twats having a childish cry in this thread comparing e-penises. Anyone can do a simple search I am sure to read about this exact argument.

What is it to me? Mate wake up to yourself. This thread took a turn when you decided to call the R32 an abomination which was not necessary.

I was told delivery would be mid Feb 2010, and this was the date that was inserted on my executed contract - Delivery date was important to me as I sold my MK5 GTI in November and I do not have a ride atm and I thought FEB would be ok but yeah ur right I was lied to or they are just plain dumb ( the second one more likely)...

In regards to my options, I thought $7,500 worth of options is alot?? but to clarify I have budgeted around $46K for a new car, so obviously the R32 with low klms seems good value for $40K....

Maybe I just need to go out on the weekend and have a drive of one - as there seems to be numerous mixed opinions....

In regards to the resale value arguement - a 2010 GTI Golf will be worth $40K this time next year, I doubt a R32 will be worth $30K.... But a new car worth a 2nd hand car is a totally different arguement

[elisiX]

Sounds like your on the case lawsy. Give the R32 a thrash at a local dealer and go from there.

Like I said early on, the R32 is a pretty nice car. My only concern would be how dated it might feel in a short period of time.

[backdoc]

I had a Black MkV R32. 3dr, dsg, sunroof etc. Had it for 2.5 yrs. Sold it in March 2009 for $44K.

I have now bought, and am awaiting delivery, on a Skoda Octavia vRS - exactly the same engine & gearbox (dsg) as the MkVI golf gti. Need a family car!

I know that the vRS is not directly comparable to the GTI, but they obviously have similarities.

I really like the the way the vRS drives and handles as a front wheel drive car with little/no torque steer & it turns in really well too. I would say that in and around town the vRS doesn't feel that much slower than the R32.

But, it is a completely different experience in the R32. I know it has been said several times over, but the sound of the R32 is just awesome. I would liken it to going to the movies and watching the same movie with and with out the sound effects. The dialogue, story line and characters are still all the same, but I bet you'd enjoy one more than the other.

It is a pure sensory thing and although the objective driving experience may be no better, and possibly better in the GTI, the subjective driving experience is what matters - especially around town away from the race track.

The only question that needs to be asked is, irrespective of price, what car is going to leave you with a smile on your face every time you get out of it? The R32 did it for me

[lawsy82]

I had a Black MkV R32. 3dr, dsg, sunroof etc. Had it for 2.5 yrs. Sold it in March 2009 for $44K.

I have now bought, and am awaiting delivery, on a Skoda Octavia vRS - exactly the same engine & gearbox (dsg) as the MkVI golf gti. Need a family car!

I know that the vRS is not directly comparable to the GTI, but they obviously have similarities.

I really like the the way the vRS drives and handles as a front wheel drive car with little/no torque steer & it turns in really well too. I would say that in and around town the vRS doesn't feel that much slower than the R32.

But, it is a completely different experience in the R32. I know it has been said several times over, but the sound of the R32 is just awesome. I would liken it to going to the movies and watching the same movie with and with out the sound effects. The dialogue, story line and characters are still all the same, but I bet you'd enjoy one more than the other.

It is a pure sensory thing and although the objective driving experience may be no better, and possibly better in the GTI, the subjective driving experience is what matters - especially around town away from the race track.

The only question that needs to be asked is, irrespective of price, what car is going to leave you with a smile on your face every time you get out of it? The R32 did it for me

$44K seems like a cheap price - especially for a 3 door as these are rare and look heaps better in 3 dr IMO. How did u find the DSG in the R32?? I have never driven a DSG before, but the few im looking at are DSG... Was fuel consumption as bad as everyone is saying? My MK5 GTI, I would get around 550klms on a full tank

There is people asking like $45K for a 3 yr old R32 - hard to tell em they are dreaming... Id say if I can pick one up for like $38K that would be a great buy. Give her a ECU upgrade and that may do me

[Dubya]

He did order a GTI but changed his mind due to delays (which aren't even delays when the car cant even be built until Feb!)

Tell us something we don't already know! But why are you having a go at the OP? His ordering practices are hardly your concern, are they?

So he either didnt ask the question about delivery when he ordered in November, or he was lied to by the dealer about estimated delivery.

Not our concern, is it? Lawsy's present concern is deciding between a new GTI and a used R32 and I contributed my deux centimes as sought from the membership.

He's already exaggerated about how many options he chose vs cost so who knows.

Why the aspersions? Are you on some kind of vendetta, elisiX?

...there is plenty of information available on this forum and many others for him to make a decision. ... Anyone can do a simple search I am sure to read about this exact argument.

Why do you care? There is absolutely no harm in Lawsy and everyone else on this forum having the convenience of the latest views (which many, including you, appear more than willing to contribute) which compare the R32 with the Mark VI GTI (and there would be much less side-by-side commentary on those two models).

What is it to me? Mate wake up to yourself. This thread took a turn when you decided to call the R32 an abomination which was not necessary.

It was only my opinion, mate!

As far as the thread taking a "turn", I expressed my view at the outset (reply #2) and if nothing else it provoked spirited defences of the R32 which provided precisely the sought of information Lawsy would find most enlightening.

Expressing opinions is one of the main purposes of this forum. Spirited debate is a lot more interesting anyway, and that is what we got! I gather that bothers you.

While the R32 is an abomination to my way of thinking (primarily for its fuel consumption and specific power of just ~58kw/l against the GTI's 78kw/l), it seems it is also a much-loved and thrilling-to-drive abmomination!

So rather than telling me to "wake up to myself" for providing a polarising opinion on this forum you should stop telling other people what to say and do and let the conversation flow freely (especially when I and others were on topic with our R32/GTI comments and you with your Audi suggestions were less so).

Anyway, it is probably one of the more interesting and lively threads and debates in recent months (apart from your tiresome complaints and ill-advised directives to "stay on topic" and suggestion to search the whole damn forum instead of enjoying a revisit of the topic by engaging in an up-to-the-minute discussion now!).

[Dubya]

Didn't expect you to get upset about it, people muck up the quotes all the time (I went to the trouble of fixing it so chillax).

The point is you copied your own post from another thread saying how the "R32 is an abomination" which could come across as trolling.

I have no interest in trolling (whatever that is, but I can well imagine, I just did not realise you were the self-appointed troll police).

It just so happened my post from yesterday was exactly on point and while I did not copy it exactly, why retype it?

While I was not "upset", nonetheless, no one likes being misquoted and you seemed to be so put out by me recycling my own work that instead of just hitting "quote" on my post today you went to the trouble of copying my post and your reply from the day before in a different thread (in Mark V!) in its entirety, for reasons best known only to you.

Are you sure you have not been trolling?

I have no idea why you would care if I or anyone else repeated a comment today that they made yesterday elsewhere and used the copy function to save time doing so.

You seemed to take some glee in pointing out I had "copied" from another post when ironically you were the only one who had done so.

It seems the dobber done himself in.

It would be nice if posters stopped telling others what to do; showed some respect and stopped casting aspersions. All very low-brow.

[elisiX]

Dubya .. You can actually have an informative conversation without being rude pricks to each other. It's unnecessary. The people on this forum are those whom i'd like to catch up with at GTG in the future so i'm not about to start being rude for the sake of it. I'm no stranger to online flame wars either (had a few in my time online), but one thing i've learned in the past 10 years is that your e-penis is never as big as you might think it is.

I clarified the fact that he had purchased then cancelled his order as you made comment that he was simply tossing up the options between a MKVI GTI and MKV R32. By cancelling the GTI, dont you think he made that decision. For the short term at least.

As for me being on some form on vendetta?.. you must be joking right?. The OP made comment about buying 'every option' and set the notion in play that he was in fact working with a significantly (10k+) higher budget. The initial responses to the OP were along the lines of saving money if he were to in fact go with an R32. I simply mentioned this to which the OP responded if you read up a few posts.

I think you have missed my point to some extent. Nothing wrong with comparing vehicles which many people, not just Lawsy might be considering in the current market/environment. However there's no need to make blanket uninformed comments such as referring to the R32 as an 'abomination'. The response in relation to this comment alone stands for itself.

Sure, i'm not the boss of you.. feel free to do what you like - everyone is entitled to an opinion, but dont be so surprised when I respond and go on a quoting rampage. Am happy to put this down to a difference of opinion and let it be. As I mentioned earlier, I hope to meet with many of you guys in the future and I certainly dont want to start on the wrong foot.