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Should this thread not be removed from Mk5 stuff and put into general chat, or such like? It's turning into a bit of a car accident here - something pretty bad has happened, we're all stopping to take a look, and some of us are contributing opinions, including myself!
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jesus.....who cares what a car did and didnt have - i really regret replying in this thread......
I really could'nt give two hoots what a car had in the seventies....reality is, I will never own a car when it's older than 3 years so it has no relevance.
(for jester_fu.....if you think you don't 'need' stability control.....just imagine you or a loved one being saved by stability control when a car out of control comes careering your way.....*touches wood for you* i'm guessing your 'superior' driving skills won't be of much help....
stability control/ safety devices are there for everyone on the road and i'm all for them.
this is the last post for me - learning to bite my lip!
sorry to the mods for where this thread went
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i dont follow... are you joking or not? are you quite seriously trying to argue that cars in the 60's and 70's were safer than cars today?Originally posted by Jester_Fu View PostOK... i'll give you a heads up. Pretensioned seatbelts were only really a necessity when lap sash seatbelts were changed to be retractable. The first lap sash belts, as fitted in the '70s, were not retractable. They did not need 'pre-tensionsing' to remove the slack from a spring loaded coil as there was no spring loaded coil.
The "safety cell" in the '70s consisted of a car made from metal. I know, it's a foreign concept to have steel and actual chassis in cars... some sort of structure around you rather than marketing hype on how they improved things from the cheap manufacturing techniques they used to ruin things with in the first place. You also don't need collapsable steering columns unless your car colapses on impact to a point that means the column is going to hurt you... So, i'll take back my ignorance statement, replace it with "uneducated marketing worshiper", and leave you scratching your head again.
EBD? Stability control?? Ever heard of knowing how to drive? Neither of those features make up for competant safe driving. On a track, neither of them help you put in better lap times - i know from experience. The only saving grace for those features on my last 3 cars has been the ability to turn them off when you [actually want to enjoy the drive.
Ceramic brakes is a material improvement. The brakes are still discs, the technology is the material... the application is high end sports cars beyond anything i'd listed from the '70s or comparable today. You can't buy a golf GLi with ceramic disks. You could buy a stock Volvo with full disk brakes in the '70s. Volvo is hardly a car for the elite motorist...
You realise they stopped trying to make led zepplins in the 30s, right? You know that all of these alloys you're raving about where primarily developed during the second world war in aircraft, don't you? You'd also realise that there were a number of 'composite' material vehicles from the 60s and 70s including the Daimler SP250 - a relatively cheap sportscar of the era. You also realise that the average Golf - considered a medium/small car by todays standards - weighs in at MORE that a 'large; car from the '70s, yes? I gave the example of the Valliant Charger... a fairly common car back then. Why do you need light weight alloys in cars to make them weigh more than their historic equivalents? Mini Minor springs to mind as a low tech cheap car not requiring alloys for weight reduction. Can you explain where the advantage to alloys is for me? I must be getting stoopider in me ye olde age...
Sorry, does engine revs some how equate to faster acceleration? Maybe i'm confused, but torque is what you need to get going fast and accelerate hard. Why do you need to rev out to 8000rpm to get decent torque? The Jag i had was 6000RPM, the Volvo was 6500RPM. Both pretty similar numbers against modern straight six and 4 cylinder engines. The jag had enormous torque, 4.2L's of it. Gear ratios determine top speed against revs, but you need torque to propel the car there
The sound issue is relative, but i think most people would agree the sound of a V12 Jaguar, a DB6 Aston Martin or a GTHO is pretty damn sweet. Hell, hearing a tuned Charger come from nowhere and rip past you still does it for a lot of people.
OK - you're in love with the safety issue. So, i'll ask you a question: Is the road toll increasing or decreasing? If the road toll is increasing, then how exactly are these vehicles safer? If they really are so much safer than in the '70s, we should have a declining road toll - as a percentage of motorists. The numbers say otherwise. Please explain...
Sat nav is for the mentally challenged. They had these things called maps even from roman times. People seemed to navigate around entire continents using them, but suddenly we *need* sat nav to drive to the shops for milk? Yeah, huge advancement that one.
There's no arguement tyre technoloy has improved. Yep, it's an important part of the driving experience. Is it the single dominating factor to a successful and enjoyable drive? Really?
edit: found an even better link for you
why dont you head over there
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Originally posted by GermanwithaVdub View Posti dont follow... are you joking or not? are you quite seriously trying to argue that cars in the 60's and 70's were safer than cars today?
edit: found an even better link for you
why dont you head over there
Howdi GermanwithaVdub....
trust me....you don't want to go there! n:
his d*ck will be bigger in any argument no matter how small it is..... and he will no doubt drive better than you to.....
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Howdi again German....
Amazing links.....nice to know our new VeeDubs have such great crash test results
Thanks for the links
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Originally posted by bailey78 View Post
I love car forums...
I never said i didn't want or use ESP, EBFD, EBD, ABS or any other techno wizadry they throw to make my life a touch easier. I said they're no substitute for a skilled driver. Combine the two with some common sense and they're a winning combination. I was merely pointing out that while some people using car forums seem to like to rant and rave about why now is better than then, or vice versa, there's arguements to both sides.
Try taking a more philosophical approach, ladies. If i truely believed everything i have said, then i wouldn't have bothered forking out $50k+ for a new VW R32... would i I also wouldn't have put my hand up in your Haldex group buy and have some other bits on the way from HPA in Canada.
Don't make ignorant comments. Also don't deny yourself the priveledge of owning a classic car because you only want to own cars of 3 years or less in age. There's much pleasure to be had from going 'low tech' and the company that comes with owning a truely special and original car.
As for the OP's d**k comment, you guys missed a really good post on the second page listing classic aussie '70s musscle cars - the ultimate penis enlargement. The thread should have ended there
Anyway... thanks for entertaining me on a rainy Saturday! Vortex is nowhere near this much fun
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you're right... hes amazing. silly engineers inventing dumb things like airbags and active safety systems to save peoples lives; why didnt they just call him!Originally posted by bailey78 View Post
Howdi GermanwithaVdub....
trust me....you don't want to go there! n:
his d*ck will be bigger in any argument no matter how small it is..... and he will no doubt drive better than you to.....Comment
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Another great little linky
bloody amazing how far cars have come......
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The problem is the other drivers that we all share the roads with, they may have zero driver skill and even less common sense. I would prefer they all drive cars with all the techno wizardry possible, it may just help keep them in their lane as we pass each otherOriginally posted by Jester_Fu View Post
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Well, I drove in the 70s. The cars were total junk. There was nothing about them that was good, although there was the occasional good idea. If you'd like to go back to then, well fine, but the only thing that I thought was hot about that era was the girls at the beach. Of course, they're all grand mothers now. But, they've probably stood the test of time better than the cars.MY08 R32, DSG, Sunroof, RNS510
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This thread not dead yet? Think it needs some sort of systemic poison (like most weeds).
Dave
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Back to that last youtube link with the volvo station wagon....imagine the damage had the other car been the same identical volvo (without the new crumple zone systems to absorb some of the impact) - would have been intersting!sigpicComment
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