103kW/125kw TDI PD Piezo Siemens injector failure thread

[Greg Roles]

PM replied!

The 103kw runs the Bosch system, and it's much less likely these will fail, unlike the Siemens in the PD170 / 125kw this thread is mainly about. Bosch parts are available individually, so that is a plus. If you have dealer history on servicing I'd like to hear how VW can argue it's your problem entirely, as the injection system is a NON SERVICABLE PART, and could be expected to last a reasonable lifetime in an engine, say 250-300kms? I'm sure a lawyer could easily argue that in small claims. In the least VW should come back with an offer to part pay ( take the hint VW ), but so too I'd be going straight to VW head office, who are all too well aware of the injector problems out there, and bring their attention to all the things mentioned in this thread, the facebook page, you name it.

I'd be suprised if you car does in fact need all four injectors and loom, that is usually more the Siemens approach, but it may be that the 103 has failed in enough numbers for VW that the only fix is the same "replace it all" solution. Be nice to be able to get the exact fault codes out of VW, but of course they want to keep these issues as quiet as possible to prevent having to payout on their manufacturing flaws. See what they come back with, be nice to hear of them doing the right thing up front.

[Transporter]

Of course Greg, once the car is out of warranty they will push to replace everything that may be affected by the fault or cause it (even by a small chance), but hey should it be under the warranty you could straggle to convince them to do the same.

On the topic "reasonable fuel injector life"; I think it is an uncharted territory and you can forget about, that in the past injectors lasted a long time.
1. The diesel fuel has changed and is not the same as in the past.
2. and obviously, it is not the same injector as in the past, so the manufacturer could argue that ever increasing demand on a clean air forced them to speed up some technologies (some invented 1/2 the century ago).

Of course that repeated fuel injector failures before your car reaches 150,000km or even better, well before 100,000km as we see here is not acceptable and VW knows it. I just saw that someone was told that there is 7 Years warranty on the replacement injectors. http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...tml#post703547

[harlie]

Thanks guys – Austral are addiment that all 4 should be replaced at a cost of $4977!!
Injector to be used is 03G130073GX – so not even a new part. I asked if my car had a bosch system and was told “No it’s genuine VW” – haha. I think the people making the recomendations really don't know about any differences between the 2 (bosch v Siemens)

I’ve contacted VWA and a case has been raised with their Warranty people, so it’s a waiting game now, we are in the position that we can get by minus a car indefinitely so I’m not rushing anything.

[Greg Roles]

I'm watching this case with great interest, be really bad news if the 103 injectors start falling over as well, far more of them out there than the already cursed 125 PD....

[kaanage]

There has been at least one other 103kW PD failure reported in this thread

[harlie]

I’ve just been told for the 2nd time that VWA will not contribute anything towards my injector problem, and I’m to be charged full retail.

[benough]

Man, that is rough.

I think you should try it on with an ombudsman or a competition consumer agency.

VW have come to the party and also gone halves with people for the same issue and have been further out of warranty.

[Greg Roles]

I am very sad to hear that, but as it's a 103kw, and these things havn't shown up in numbers like the 125, I can't really comment. Very poor form all the same anyone is expected to pay full retail on a non servicable part in a sub 100km car. That is not a reasonable engine life in my opinion. Anyone in a similar boat, you can get injectors from the UK at a FRACTION of what VW here want to charge, but obviously you have to wait while it ships. Australian pricing is ludicrous.

[yowie]

Underwhelmed to say the least.
A cared-for car should last.
My last was an '86 Corona (22RE) bought new and sold this year to a mate's son who still punts it weekly between the Gold Coast and Brisvegas.
Our VW extended warranty will time out before we drive the 150,000 or whatever it is, and I am not sure I want to carry that sort of risk.

[Transporter]

Underwhelmed to say the least.
A cared-for car should last.
My last was an '86 Corona (22RE) bought new and sold this year to a mate's son who still punts it weekly between the Gold Coast and Brisvegas.
Our VW extended warranty will time out before we drive the 150,000 or whatever it is, and I am not sure I want to carry that sort of risk.

If it lasts 150,000km then you should be OK. You have CR injectors they're reliable but may not last as long as PD injectors (non piezo) but they're cheaper. As for the DSG, if it was fault free until 150,000km then you should be OK. I plan to keep the Tiguan with the same engine for at least 10 years and previously had Subaru Forester. I've done my homework before replacing the Forester with the Tiguan. I know it is reliable and it will last.

[stickshift3000]

I am very sad to hear that, but as it's a 103kw, and these things havn't shown up in numbers like the 125, I can't really comment. ... Anyone in a similar boat, you can get injectors from the UK at a FRACTION of what VW here want to charge, but obviously you have to wait while it ships. Australian pricing is ludicrous.

How much do they cost from the UK Greg?

[Greg Roles]

330-400 pounds is what I see on the various forums for the 125kw ones. I can get a firm price from a local dealer near my brother over there if you need one or more....but you need the exact part number, I had a lot of "fun" fitting the different Audi loom to my VW, they don't necessarily carry that same connectors or wiring!

[stickshift3000]

Thanks for that, I'll be sourcing them from the UK if the worst was to happen to mine!

I really feel for the owners of these cars 10 years from now if they experience injector breakdowns. The repair will cost more than the car...

[kaanage]

If it lasts 150,000km then you should be OK. You have CR injectors they're reliable but may not last as long as PD injectors (non piezo) but they're cheaper.

Maybe not - Yowie's Golf is a Pacific variant so it is almost certainly a PD (but not the 125kW version that seems much more prone to injector failure).

[Transporter]

Maybe not - Yowie's Golf is a Pacific variant so it is almost certainly a PD (but not the 125kW version that seems much more prone to injector failure).

You're right it's still Golf5.