X-Pack Paint protection?

[uu11wa]

Don't do it... I'll leave it at that.

[Jo27]

I got my Jetta xpacked done back in 2007 and guys, it really works!!!

I got the xpack done on my car back in 2007 I was promised that I never had to wax and polish it as it protects and preserves the top coat and paint. They said i was coverd for bird and bat droppings. And after five years I must admit my clear coat looks just the same as it was when I first bought it. I was skeptical at first, but it deliverd at the end.
I think most people here in this forum have been misinformed on what this treatment really does.
It protects your paint work from fading and oxidising. That's it! And perhaps it's Easter to clean. If it oxidises by bird **** or starts fading after a while use the life time warranty you paid for and they will fix it! Oh and heads up with the interior... Scotch gard does not work...I found out it removes with friction...lol in other words it does the job, sure.... But just don't rub it or sit on it... Wont work after that..lol upgrading to the new sirocco soon the back looks like a porche...nice!

[blake_jl]

You are a shill. These posts are all over the net. Spam sucks.

I got the xpack done on my car back in 2007 I was promised that I never had to wax and polish it as it protects and preserves the top coat and paint. They said i was coverd for bird and bat droppings. And after five years I must admit my clear coat looks just the same as it was when I first bought it. I was skeptical at first, but it deliverd at the end.
I think most people here in this forum have been misinformed on what this treatment really does.
It protects your paint work from fading and oxidising. That's it! And perhaps it's Easter to clean. If it oxidises by bird **** or starts fading after a while use the life time warranty you paid for and they will fix it! Oh and heads up with the interior... Scotch gard does not work...I found out it removes with friction...lol in other words it does the job, sure.... But just don't rub it or sit on it... Wont work after that..lol upgrading to the new sirocco soon the back looks like a porche...nice!

[GolfAddict]

While I was filling out the paperwork to order my new GTI last friday, the rep starts trying to sell me "X-Pack - Xtreme Vehicle Protection"

Paint protection / Carpet & Fabric proctection

She mentioned about $850 for the paint protection... I didnt hear / dont remember a price on the interior protection, but she did say if i buy both, they throw in free window tinting (darkest legal)

It sounds like a good idea, but is it any good?
What should I be paying for it?
What would i expect to pay for window tinting normally?

I like to share the experiences I have had with dealership applied products cause unlike most people who comment about them, I have actually had most of the cars I owned protected in this manner. The car I currently own had xpack applied about 2 years ago and I am still getting that hot showroom shine. I find them to be a great time saver and they normally turn out to be a great money saver when you add up all the money you would have spent on waxes, polishes, washes etc. I believe its the titanium dioxide in it that asks as a sort of self cleaning component.. Anyway its always seemed to work for me a treat!

[GTI180]

I have thousands of dollars of xpack at home from being in the industry and I don't rate that crap at all, I polish my car with it now and then coz it makes the paint feel smooth. I could actually sue the company for the time I've spent cutting bird ****e n egg out of the paint.....which I should never have had to do apparently

[remy]

I like to share the experiences I have had with dealership applied products cause unlike most people who comment about them, I have actually had most of the cars I owned protected in this manner. The car I currently own had xpack applied about 2 years ago and I am still getting that hot showroom shine. I find them to be a great time saver and they normally turn out to be a great money saver when you add up all the money you would have spent on waxes, polishes, washes etc. I believe its the titanium dioxide in it that asks as a sort of self cleaning component.. Anyway its always seemed to work for me a treat!

Joined the forum just to say that huh. So obviously a paid review by X-Pack.

[GTI180]

He has gotta be one of these ppl who has never actually washed his car himself, but rather pays to have it done

[peterd]

My wife got Polo 77TSI with fifth dimension paint protection from dealer.
The car is one year old by now and in pristine condition. We wash it between two weeks and two months apart, birds droppings usually has been removed in hours, but sometimes up to two days.
My new Tiguan which I bought a few days ago was a 6 months demo with X-Pack applied according to the dealer ( waiting for documentation and kit to be send).
Car got few scratches which I think could be polished but I think that it is to early to comment on X-Pack treatment until I know for sure what was done and go through a few washes.

[wantonchaos]

Hey Guys!
im going to start off with what I am. I just came over from BMW car sales, into the "aftermarket sales" area with VW/Audi, aka MING MOLE (however im an under 30 male. still ridiculously good looking though, i assure you.)
Ive read a lot about the X-Pack, provided through dealers by MotorOne. There is so much mis-information out there it is ridiculous.
but then again, this is the internet where you don't have to do any research before providing an opinion.
I sell this stuff. so do numerous other spam-bots out there. however, im somewhat knowledgeable, and my bra size is not equal to my IQ. Also, I can sell crack to a priest (easier than you think... put it in the wine or crackers.... it will have people coming back every week, guaranteed!)
so with that pre-amble out of the way, i will tell you what my understanding of this product is. and i will happily respond to any questions/criticisms/death threats.

X-Pack is a grouping of products, known individually as smartkote. what we like to call "performance surface coating".

i'm not going to comment on prices... thats up to you to use your negotiating skills to get the best price. if you have ever talked any one into lowering their pants, you can talk them into lowering their price.

this is NOT like the old MING dynasty products on a number of levels. to start with, it isnt a silicon based product, but a water based one (except in the case of the leather protector, which is lanolin based).
it does not require re-application at any stage, nor does it require inspections. it is simply applied once (preferably prior to delivery of new vehicle, but can be applied to any car up to 5 years old... problem is, it needs an awesome cleaning job to have it perfect.)

in terms of exterior paint protection, it is not applied by the manufacturer for one main reason. cars come out of a factory and go to many places in the world. i can tell you now, environments differ. Siberia will have a different effect on a cars paint than Outback Australia. so the manufacturers leave it up to the local dealers to provide the best care details (hopefully in line with the manufacturers recommendations). so they just send cars out the way they do, and hope you look after it.

Now as you are probably aware, it is best to wash your car regularly (eg weekly) and polish it semi-annually (manuals sometimes mention twice a year, some people go quarterly). in other words, use common sense and keep it clean, so it looks good. duh.
The X Pack product comes into this simply. Once applied (properly, for gods sakes, its up to the dealership not to stinge out and use the right amount), it bonds to the porus surface of the paint permanently.
Simply put, this differs from MING products, waxes and other paint protections in one way. the individual particles are WAAAAAY smaller, thus pack together tighter, thus not allowing stuff to get through the layer. simple.

Dont be stupid in believing this means you dont wash it. you do. just use a PH Neutral shampoo on a monthly basis. with a microfiber cloth.
NO WAXING though please. think of this as a permanent wax. kind of.
as for foreign things like bird/bat poo (or even hobo poo), please remove as soon as possible. you do have a roughly 48 hour time frame in which to take action. so, in other words, look your car over every now and then.

follow these simple rules, and your car will keeps its nice shiny appearance, without the extra cost/elbow grease of regular wax/polishing.

as for the interior, it is actually pretty cool. unlike scotch guard, it is a once off application, and its permanent.
if you spill something (water, red cordial, coffee, mudcake etc) just simply wipe off with a damp wet cloth. it wont soak into the seat straight away, giving you time to take action. handy if you have kids/are somewhat unco.
it has an ingredient entitled bactishield. I cant actually tell you what it is, but i can tell you it stops mould/bacteria from getting a foot hold, stopping smells (think wet dog smell) and the like.
Also, with leather, softens it up (hurray for lanolin) and keeps it that way. stops UV affecting it as much, slows cracking etc.

Yes, other products are cheaper, and im sure if you shop around you can find ones that offer somewhat similar results.
but the primary difference is that this is a one off application. the dealer does it, and you dont need to reapply on a regular basis.
basically, peace of mind that all you need to do is clean up after yourself. (still, i realise for some people that is too much to ask).

ive probably missed off a few things, but i will edit in the future after re-reading.

feel free to come at me with questions/objections. preferably with an open mind. (i realise the MING dynasty might of left a sour taste in your mouth. times change, move on). i will do my best to provide honest, verifiable answers.

failing that, ill take off my tie and undo my top button.

[Merrick]

A customer of mine come to me and told me that BMW (Brisbane) applied the X-pack to his 325i but he doesn’t know if they applied anything on the paint as the car looks dull, not much shine. As you are selling the MotorOne products do you at least know what technology MotorOne is using in their coatings and how it works?

[wantonchaos]

Hmmmm i cant specifically comment on how they apply, or how much product was applied.
however, one thing i have picked up, is that due to the titanium dioxide, UV reflects like crazy. one way to see this is put on some polarized sunglasses. it should be like one giant shiny ball of light (similar in effect to UV protective tint you see on many windshields).
I dont know how it works on a molecular level. i have broad-stroke knowledge at this stage (always working on it though!).... so basically, this titanium dioxide stuff is in suncream. its the stuff that protects against UV A,B&C (A=ageing effects B=burning effects C=not heaps, the atmosphere reflects most of it).
there are two ways i will explain what nanotechnology is. either a billionth of a meter, or quite simply, a nanometer is how much your beard grows in the time it takes to lift your razor from the sink to your face. so basically, its using really really small stuff, aka particles, to create a better layer of protection (smaller particles mean more are packed in there, allowing less room for stuff to slip through and bond with the original paint layer).
there are plenty of good youtube videos out there on the product.
does that answer your question?

[Wolfgang]

Now as you are probably aware, it is best to wash your car regularly (eg weekly) and polish it semi-annually (manuals sometimes mention twice a year, some people go quarterly). in other words, use common sense and keep it clean, so it looks good. duh.
The X Pack product comes into this simply. Once applied (properly, for gods sakes, its up to the dealership not to stinge out and use the right amount), it bonds to the porus surface of the paint permanently.
Simply put, this differs from MING products, waxes and other paint protections in one way. the individual particles are WAAAAAY smaller, thus pack together tighter, thus not allowing stuff to get through the layer. simple.

You say X-Pack is permanent, has any independent testing been carried out to prove this?

If so, where can I find a copy of the report?

[Merrick]

Do you know that TiO2 is nothing new, it has been around for many years and has very limited lifespan.

[wantonchaos]

You say X-Pack is permanent, has any independent testing been carried out to prove this?

If so, where can I find a copy of the report?

It is life time warrantied. even if it does come off, it gets re-applied for free. its pretty straight forward. - i use the term "permanent" as that is what is the word that is commonly thrown around. even if it lasts 5 years, it is still a lot better than the average wax, plus you don't reapply yourself, so for all effective purposes, it is permanently applied to the vehicle...


as for TiO2, as i previously mentioned, its been in sunscreen for years. im not even claiming the process is new. im just saying there are a lot of people with mis-information.

as anyone with a profession, it annoys some part deep inside when you see people saying the wrong thing as fact about something they evidently haven't looked in to. so im simply here to help people make an informed decision.
more selfishly, if i can overcome objections from random internet peepz, i can hone my dirty salesman skills.

[Wolfgang]

It is life time warrantied. even if it does come off, it gets re-applied for free. its pretty straight forward. - i use the term "permanent" as that is what is the word that is commonly thrown around. even if it lasts 5 years, it is still a lot better than the average wax, plus you don't reapply yourself, so for all effective purposes, it is permanently applied to the vehicle...

You've said it may come off but it's permanent.

So how long does one application actually last on average?

If there's no independent testing proving it is permanent, how can it be marketed as "never breaks down" and "once off application"?

Something else I forgot to ask, what is the hardness of X-Pack paint protection? If it resists what it claims to then it must be right up there.