X-Pack Paint protection?

[blake_jl]

To test this claim do a test and try to scratch the treated paint with your pocket knife (a pocketknife 5.1; a knife blade, 5.5; on Mohs scale), you should not see any scratches if the claim is correct.

Actually, the scratch test doesn't exactly work like that. VW clear measures about 7. Obviously a blade will scratch it.

The reason I used VW clear as an example is because it is relevant to this forum and doesn't carry the "snake oil" merchant claims you are alluding to. VW clear measures 7. Fact. Yet your 5.1 pocket knife will scratch it. Why?

[Merrick]

[QUOTE=blake_jl;731583] VW clear measures 7.[QUOTE]
Where your claim is coming from? Did you measure it?

[Merrick]

Merrick, i'm an owner of a vehicle who had the work carried out on not a rep, sales person or detailer.

I'm not going to play stupid and put a knife to my car Do you tell possible clients to put a knife to their car to prove something? i most certainly wouldn't think like that, maybe request if i can ask optimum to prove the results? sheesh

Then again why should I a consumer go out of my way to annoy the detailers to prove that? I have had times when debris or even natural enviromental nuisances try to effect my car. So far very happy 3 months on! mind you i dont even wax my car, i only wash with my snow foam yummmm

Now optimum claim 9h not myself, Sorry for possibly misleading you there

If im happy thats what matters i am merely passing information to others who can read up on it and research more if they want, but as a person who has purchased this method of protection I for one am a happy client

It is good you are happy with your paint protection and I hope your excitement will last. You may change your mind when they start to charge you for “a repair” on the top of $35 car wash every 12 month. I personally do not call 12 months a lifetime. Please let me know how it will perform against the bird droppings and bat droppings specially, I am still looking for this ‘Holy Grail’ of paint protection.

[blake_jl]

It's common knowledge in the industry that ceramic clear measures approx. 7.

To put it another way for you. How do they cut diamonds? Why does my wife's diamond ring scratch? Diamonds are the hardest material known to man.

[blake_jl]

It is good you are happy with your paint protection and I hope your excitement will last. You may change your mind when they start to charge you for “a repair” on the top of $35 car wash every 12 month. I personally do not call 12 months a lifetime. Please let me know how it will perform against the bird droppings and bat droppings specially, I am still looking for this ‘Holy Grail’ of paint protection.

Actually Hail22 - the annual service is being removed under the new terms and conditions. You don't need to submit your car for an inspection, although a yearly detail by a professional is always a good thing.

Bird droppings don't effect the product and that is also covered under the terms and conditions. The material is totally resistant to these chemicals.

Regarding bats, it is actually not the bat droppings that are the issue so you are a bit off the mark here. For your reference bats actually vomit up the substance that does damage. It doesn't come from their arse at all

No it isn't covered at this point in time as it is untested.

For those that don't know me from previous conversations I represent the distributor of this product.

[Merrick]

It's common knowledge in the industry that ceramic clear measures approx. 7.

To put it another way for you. How do they cut diamonds? Why does my wife's diamond ring scratch? Diamonds are the hardest material known to man.

Hmm... how do you know VW is using Ceramic clear coat? Why even bushes can scratch car paint?

[blake_jl]

Why even bushes can scratch car paint?

Exactly.

The product is not saying it is scratch proof by any means. But it provides a measurement which can be compared to other coatings to show that it exceeds these other coatings.

[Corey_R]

As per my FYI about Merrick, I thought I should point out that blake_jl is from Zen Automotive Suppliers who are the Australian (arm? distributor?) of Optimum who make Opti-coat.
Again, I'm not saying his comments are valid one way or another, it's just so forum members know the background of where comments are coming from.

[Hail22]

Actually Hail22 - the annual service is being removed under the new terms and conditions. You don't need to submit your car for an inspection, although a yearly detail by a professional is always a good thing.

Bird droppings don't effect the product and that is also covered under the terms and conditions. The material is totally resistant to these chemicals.

Regarding bats, it is actually not the bat droppings that are the issue so you are a bit off the mark here. For your reference bats actually vomit up the substance that does damage. It doesn't come from their arse at all

No it isn't covered at this point in time as it is untested.

For those that don't know me from previous conversations I represent the distributor of this product.

I have had the worse bird poop of all i believe Crow droppings two weeks ago, i can verify with the application of a polish/rejuvinator i managed to clearly eliminate the tainted evil this bird creates when landing its bombs.

Microweave + very liberal application returned the surface exactly how it was after the work was completed. I would love to take some photos to prove a point but my car is currently in the workshop getting work done underneath

My advice i found the car came out like a gem after the work was done by placing it under the garage not using the vehicle for 24 hours why do i say this? idk since i had this pattern of thought you just need to see it looks way better than pre-delivery quality.

If it passes a year and its still the same i will be sold completely.

plus my car was under 12 months old thus i got the lifetime cover which literally means for the life of the vehicle, i have the signed contract with the full T&C's on the reverse side it does exempt like blake said untested chemicals, but a part from that it states the quality of the product is covered for the life of the vehicle the only thing that voids it is if i was a moron and decided to cut back the car myself or did a bodge DIY job on the car.

[Merrick]

I have had the worse bird poop of all i believe Crow droppings two weeks ago, i can verify with the application of a polish/rejuvinator i managed to clearly eliminate the tainted evil this bird creates when landing its bombs.

But you didn’t say for how long that poo was on the paint, hours, days, weeks?

[Hail22]

But you didn’t say for how long that poo was on the paint, hours, days, weeks?

I'd say two days as i made the mistake of parking outside the garage while in Melbourne.

It's safe to say when i sprayed on the liquid i waited about 10/20 seconds on a COLD SURFACE i do stress never spray waxes, polishes etc on a hot surface it will cause heart ache!

and gently moved the poop right off.

[Merrick]

Exactly.

The product is not saying it is scratch proof by any means. But it provides a measurement which can be compared to other coatings to show that it exceeds these other coatings.

Opti-Coat (Opti-Guard) is a hard wearing, aftermarket, ceramic clear coat for superior resistance to scratching (9H) - regarding to Opti-Coat Australia website, but this is what I don’t understand if the Opti-Coat is so hard why just an ordinary bush branch can scratch it?
The window glass is about 5.5 and if we do the same ‘bush branch’ test on it, you won’t find any scratches at all. I am sorry but this doesn’t make a sense to me.
To whom are interested to find out more about Mohs scale of mineral hardness visit Wikipedia website Mohs scale of mineral hardness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Merrick]

Regarding to Opti-Coat website Lifetime guarantee for new vehicles treated within 12 months of first registration date. 5 years used vehicles.
What is the difference between the paint up to 12 months after registration and the paint 13 months after registration?

[Merrick]

Why does my wife's diamond ring scratch? Diamonds are the hardest material known to man.

Exactly why it scratches? Perhaps your wife's diamond ring is not diamond at all, maybe cubic zirconia.

[blake_jl]

Merrick

1. There is a differentiation between new and used vehicles for a very good reason. Used vehicles have spent however long being neglected prior to being coated. This may have produced defects in the factory paint system and potential for failure in later years. 12 months was selected as the cut off date for this.

2. In Hails case it was only a couple of days but this has been tested over a period of up to 6 weeks. At this point the bird droppings have broken down and disappeared from the paintwork with no etching of the coating.

3. You clearly don't understand how scratch resistance is measured. The material Opti-Coat formula is based on is called carborundum. It is used in ceramic disc brakes, bullet proof vests and actually measures greater than 9 on Mohs scale. On scratch resistance testing cured Opti-Coat measures 9H.

It is good that you added the insult about my wife to your pointless comments.

Thank you.