Group Buy / EOI new generation DNS head units (RNS-510 alternative)

[cpkk]

Does anyone else have an issue where sometimes while the gps is running the unit wont go into any of the other screens?

Yes I've experienced this after flashing to new firmware.

Does anyone else have very poor GPS reception? Mine take a long time to get 4 Satellites and I can't use it for navigation.
Could I have a faulty GPS antenna?

As for placement, I have mine pretty much on top of the dash just under one piece of thin plastic.

Same issue with me here...

[polski_ogurek]

Same as kwalsh. Instantly finds where I am. And mine is down inside the dash. Next to the air supply pipe thing.

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[kwalsh24]

So tested the bt audio playback, the gain has been fixed however the quality still sounds quite low. Sounds like a really badly ripped mp3 file (when its not)

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[centralaxis]

Don't you mean to say you will contact people on the waiting list to ASK if they want to purchase a unit that has a screen different to that promised?

When you contact them and they say they don't want the unit with the different screen are you going to try to keep $100?

You've had your say and you're no longer in the group buy so I reckon you should stay out of it.

I'd like to see you post your PMs with Samdy as proof of your mistreatment or else I'd like to see you stick to the BMW forums.

We don't need anymore useless posts, there's 145 pages and counting including this one!

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[centralaxis]

[QUOTE=Hotbmwm3;1014077]

You've had your say and you're no longer in the group buy so I reckon you should stay out of it.

That's an interesting opinion, thanks for sharing it. I happen to disagree with your opinion, but the great thing about automotive Internet forums is that each faceless nameless person posting under a psydoneum is equal to each other.

And unless my questions breach the terms and conditions of the site, I'm not sure how you have any right to publicly tell me what to do.

Your welcome, of course, to report my post to a moderator.

I'd like to see you post your PMs with Samdy as proof of your mistreatment or else I'd like to see you stick to the BMW forums.

I'm happy to post the private messages in a new thread started by a moderator giving me permission to do so. Until then, I won't be intentionally breaching a condition of the terms of use.

We don't need anymore useless posts, there's 145 pages and counting including this one! /QUOTE]

Again, thanks for sharing your opinion that you think my question is useless. Again, I don't share your opinion. Perhaps someone that has purchase a product with a screen that is different than promised might like to know the answer.

It's likely that people seeking refunds or reimbursement of shipping costs are having those discussions in private in the hope of achieving a better outcome.

I'm hoping my public questions will help to get a fair outcome for consumers.

I believe my questions in relation to the screen type and what options consumers have are very relevant BEFORE they are sent to consumers.

/QUOTE]

Meh.

Just adding another useless post.

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[master phi]

Hate to say this but with reports of everyone else's DNS not working as advertised does bring serious concern. Also that he has specified that the people who weren't in the first ten would be offered a full refund in this post http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...ml#post1008952 or post 971. We couldn't really contact him until 4th of December too so it wasn't like we could organise the refund when he was away.

I do hope that he does contact me about it before sending it off.

[Fdandy]

Had a good play with the unit on the commute to work this morning. I definitely have a lot more issues if the GPS is running in the back ground. I had to turn the car off 3 time (pull key) as the system froze when I was back on sd playback and GPS in background.
Each time I had the funny error window come up and it forces it to gps app and doesn't let you back to radio/sd/menu settings etc.

On the way home I didn't use the GPS at all and everything worked fine.

So for me, the radio/sd playback/video playback seems to be good (albeit a bit buggy) just the GPS doesn't work.
Perhaps us Aussies have less satellites for the GPS to pick up then the USA folk, as I definitely have Satellite pickup issues making the gps software useless.

[DkN]

Don't you mean to say you will contact people on the waiting list to ASK if they want to purchase a unit that has a screen different to that promised?

When you contact them and they say they don't want the unit with the different screen are you going to try to keep $100?

Firstly the screen issue is a new one and again the information is public here on the forums. I'm sure you can appreciate that on the one hand I have to deal with cancellations, and on the other dealing with people asking where their unit is and when is it going to be shipped.

Secondly I have already pointed out that in light of issues with the first 10 units I will allow people to cancel their orders without losing the $100 deposit even though originally this deposit was not refundable by this stage.

I haven't been able to contact the manager at Audiosources all day today but based on everyone's reports it seems pretty clear the screen is resistive. But as I have said, this initial batch already has final hardware, so unless the manager decides to drop another surprise on me, the final production unit which is slated for 12 December, will also have resistive screens.

As for mirroring, I have mentioned previously that Audiosources has developed a module that mirrors both Android and iPhones BUT without the ability to control it via the unit's own screen. I've asked them about future development of a mirroring module that can control the phone via the unit's screen, but the status of that is currently unclear. The originally proposed module was to be able to do this, but would have only been compatible with Android.

Those with GPS signal issues after firmware update, go to your GPS SD directory, in the Primo2 folder, and delete or rename the folder in there named "save". This resets your settings, including GPS baud settings, and allows Primo to rescan for correct values. You do lose settings and personalisations though.

Hate to say this but with reports of everyone else's DNS not working as advertised does bring serious concern. Also that he has specified that the people who weren't in the first ten would be offered a full refund in this post http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...ml#post1008952 or post 971. We couldn't really contact him until 4th of December too so it wasn't like we could organise the refund when he was away.

I do hope that he does contact me about it before sending it off.

It does appear that the white screen issue may be hardware-related, and we had someone with a seriously faulty unit which is being returned. The rest of the issues are software-related though and will be rectified. I have to admit I have not come across many of the reported software stability issues myself on my sample unit, but I've mostly been using radio and satnav. I have been on several road trips like this (with GPS and radio running) without incident so I assume there is something up with the SD decoding part of the firmware that is causing issues.

To be clear though if you have you are informed of the situation and you want a refund, just send me a message. I don't see why you have to wait. Your previous post said you wanted a refund if you were not receiving your order in the current batch, and I explained that you are, so if you still want to cancel you have to let me know. In any case, all the information is public here, I will be sending a message shortly, and I'll hold off the shipment until Saturday morning.

Had a good play with the unit on the commute to work this morning. I definitely have a lot more issues if the GPS is running in the back ground. I had to turn the car off 3 time (pull key) as the system froze when I was back on sd playback and GPS in background.
Each time I had the funny error window come up and it forces it to gps app and doesn't let you back to radio/sd/menu settings etc.

On the way home I didn't use the GPS at all and everything worked fine.

So for me, the radio/sd playback/video playback seems to be good (albeit a bit buggy) just the GPS doesn't work.
Perhaps us Aussies have less satellites for the GPS to pick up then the USA folk, as I definitely have Satellite pickup issues making the gps software useless.

Have you performed the software update? It's getting a bit hard to keep track. If possible, please post your firmware version when you are describing any software issues. Stability issues were supposed to have been fixed in the latest update, again I have not come across these myself and some others have been saying they do seem fixed. As for GPS signal, please see what I said above in this same post regarding deleting / renaming the "save" folder.

[Goobz]

So I had a new error tonight:



I was driving along with music playing from the SD card with the Nav up on the screen on just the map when this came up. The unit completely froze and I had to turn the ignition off/on to clear it.

May be something to do with the SD decoding issues Sandy mentioned although he would have to translate the error box for me!

Im running the latest firmware revision which I successfully flashed this afternoon.

[DkN]

That's an interesting opinion, thanks for sharing it. I happen to disagree with your opinion, but the great thing about automotive Internet forums is that each faceless nameless person posting under a psydoneum is equal to each other.

And unless my questions breach the terms and conditions of the site, I'm not sure how you have any right to publicly tell me what to do.

Your welcome, of course, to report my post to a moderator.

I'd like to see you post your PMs with Samdy as proof of your mistreatment or else I'd like to see you stick to the BMW forums.

I'm happy to post the private messages in a new thread started by a moderator giving me permission to do so. Until then, I won't be intentionally breaching a condition of the terms of use.

Again, thanks for sharing your opinion that you think my question is useless. Again, I don't share your opinion. Perhaps someone that has purchase a product with a screen that is different than promised might like to know the answer.

It's likely that people seeking refunds or reimbursement of shipping costs are having those discussions in private in the hope of achieving a better outcome.

I'm hoping my public questions will help to get a fair outcome for consumers.

I believe my questions in relation to the screen type and what options consumers have are very relevant BEFORE they are sent to consumers.

You don't necessarily make useless points but if you really wanted to contribute you would do well to phrase the points you raise in a way that does not make it look like pursuit of a personal vendetta against me. My conduct throughout the group buy has pretty much been entirely public and as I mentioned I have made information available as soon as I became aware of them. Attempting to provoke me or butting heads with other customers whom you claim you are trying to help is probably just going to make you the least popular person on this forum.

You have made it clear that you were not happy with your dealings with me. Others have made it clear that they were quite happy with their dealings with me. If you are trying to convince them that they should not be happy, I suggest you give it up though you're certainly free to keep trying. If you are trying to contribute, leave your personal bias out of the points you are trying to make.

[DkN]

So I had a new error tonight:



I was driving along with music playing from the SD card with the Nav up on the screen on just the map when this came up. The unit completely froze and I had to turn the ignition off/on to clear it.

May be something to do with the SD decoding issues Sandy mentioned although he would have to translate the error box for me!

Im running the latest firmware revision which I successfully flashed this afternoon.

Interesting error. It basically says memory is critically low, which should not happen at all with 512MB of RAM unless there is a memory leak in the SD playback. Were you playing FLAC or a very large file, perhaps?

[moda]

Who was it that said they had the thing where the MFD screen would flick between SD and FM? I think it may have been kwalsh. I had that issue today. It doesn't effect anything at all, SD still plays back fine, the screen just flicks between SD and FM for about 30 seconds before going back to normal. It may have something to do with the CANBUS decoding fix they've applied (my guess is they've decreased the CANBUS polling rate, but that's just a guess).

To be honest, I still think the software is pretty immature, I wouldn't call it 'release ready', but then again professionally i'm a perfectionist haha.

Lot of the minor SD/iPod playback issues I still have.... they're not so much showstopping bugs as they are bugs that effect the users experience.

I've only driven my car a handful of times since updating but it's been very stable so far (even starting it up and slamming it straight into reverse, on the old firmware that killed it, works fine now). I had the SD/Nav stuttering bug on the old firmware, haven't noticed it yet, but i'm driving to work tomorrow (50km), so i'll give it a go and see how we go.

Also, who said they had the slow SD startup thing? I've had it too, takes about ~30s to load the SD card on startup, but once it's loaded it's very quick (even FLAC playback is significantly quicker).

Going to add and change a few things to the spreadsheet tonight, but I really should go to bed haha.

Don't you mean to say you will contact people on the waiting list to ASK if they want to purchase a unit that has a screen different to that promised?

When you contact them and they say they don't want the unit with the different screen are you going to try to keep $100?

Man, we get it, you have some sort of vendetta against Sandy. Chill out. Stop being a potato. You got your refund. We know how you feel, just chill.

Had a good play with the unit on the commute to work this morning. I definitely have a lot more issues if the GPS is running in the back ground. I had to turn the car off 3 time (pull key) as the system froze when I was back on sd playback and GPS in background.
Each time I had the funny error window come up and it forces it to gps app and doesn't let you back to radio/sd/menu settings etc.

On the way home I didn't use the GPS at all and everything worked fine.

So for me, the radio/sd playback/video playback seems to be good (albeit a bit buggy) just the GPS doesn't work.
Perhaps us Aussies have less satellites for the GPS to pick up then the USA folk, as I definitely have Satellite pickup issues making the gps software useless.

If Sandys fix above doesn't work, i'd seriously suggest moving the GPS antenna, even slightly.

When I fitted an Eonon unit to my Prado, I originally had the GPS antenna setup just under the dash, pretty direct line of site, but it wouldn't lock on. It would find 1 satellite, and nothing else. I left it sit there for 2 hours and it wouldn't grab any more. I ended up moving the antenna 2cm (!!!) and voila, instant lock on to a solid 14 satellites. Something must have been blocking it or something, but I moved it a tiny bit and it made a world of difference.

For what it's worth, my DNS locks on instantaneously (even if I start it up and go straight to nav from cold start, it's locked on before iGo even loads fully), 14 solid satellites, and I used it for my entire 1000km road trip and it worked flawlessly. Other parts of the headunit (on the old firmware) may have had issues, but the GPS/iGo continued to work flawlessly.

Firstly the screen issue is a new one and again the information is public here on the forums. I'm sure you can appreciate that on the one hand I have to deal with cancellations, and on the other dealing with people asking where their unit is and when is it going to be shipped.

Secondly I have already pointed out that in light of issues with the first 10 units I will allow people to cancel their orders without losing the $100 deposit even though originally this deposit was not refundable by this stage.

I haven't been able to contact the manager at Audiosources all day today but based on everyone's reports it seems pretty clear the screen is resistive. But as I have said, this initial batch already has final hardware, so unless the manager decides to drop another surprise on me, the final production unit which is slated for 12 December, will also have resistive screens.

As for mirroring, I have mentioned previously that Audiosources has developed a module that mirrors both Android and iPhones BUT without the ability to control it via the unit's own screen. I've asked them about future development of a mirroring module that can control the phone via the unit's screen, but the status of that is currently unclear. The originally proposed module was to be able to do this, but would have only been compatible with Android.

Those with GPS signal issues after firmware update, go to your GPS SD directory, in the Primo2 folder, and delete or rename the folder in there named "save". This resets your settings, including GPS baud settings, and allows Primo to rescan for correct values. You do lose settings and personalisations though.


It does appear that the white screen issue may be hardware-related, and we had someone with a seriously faulty unit which is being returned. The rest of the issues are software-related though and will be rectified. I have to admit I have not come across many of the reported software stability issues myself on my sample unit, but I've mostly been using radio and satnav. I have been on several road trips like this (with GPS and radio running) without incident so I assume there is something up with the SD decoding part of the firmware that is causing issues.

To be clear though if you have you are informed of the situation and you want a refund, just send me a message. I don't see why you have to wait. Your previous post said you wanted a refund if you were not receiving your order in the current batch, and I explained that you are, so if you still want to cancel you have to let me know. In any case, all the information is public here, I will be sending a message shortly, and I'll hold off the shipment until Saturday morning.


Have you performed the software update? It's getting a bit hard to keep track. If possible, please post your firmware version when you are describing any software issues. Stability issues were supposed to have been fixed in the latest update, again I have not come across these myself and some others have been saying they do seem fixed. As for GPS signal, please see what I said above in this same post regarding deleting / renaming the "save" folder.

+1 to the fact that the screen is very clearly resistive. Even on a physical level you can tell, resistive screens have 'give' in them (due to the conductive layer), and capacitive screens are almost always solid glass.

It'd be nice if AS where like, oh ****, oops, sorry, and was able to swap our units out with capacitive screens, but I won't hold my breath. Bit of a bummer, it was one of the features I was keen on the most.

[moda]

Also also, 2 questions:

What is this standby screen that cpkk is talking about? Heh.

and

On the radio module, is there an auto search and save found stations function? Or is that not a feature yet implemented/you have to do it manually? Strange because every headunit i've ever used has this function, including my POS chinese RNS510 replica.

[asa572]

Also also, 2 questions:

What is this standby screen that cpkk is talking about? Heh.

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Push the power button quickly (when it's running) and it puts it into standby mode.
The day, date and date are shown along the bottom of the screen.

[DkN]

Also also, 2 questions:

What is this standby screen that cpkk is talking about? Heh.

and

On the radio module, is there an auto search and save found stations function? Or is that not a feature yet implemented/you have to do it manually? Strange because every headunit i've ever used has this function, including my POS chinese RNS510 replica.

The standby screen appears when you tap the power button when the unit is on.

The auto search and save function is the "Extras" button in the radio menu. Not sure why they called it this except this button existed in the RNS-510, but essentially that's your auto-search.