Recall

[brad]

As compared to the DSG fiasco????? From news breaking to now VAG has been quite quick...

VW have been stalling the US government authorities for at least 12 months. The only reason they have moved "quickly" since the news broke was they'd had time to prepare.

[Steve28]

If they do reprogram the ECU to meet the emission standards that customers "expected" the cars to meet, does that mean if it results in less power that customers can demand the cars be programmed or modified to produce the power they based their purchase on?


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[Darks RS]

I won't take mine in... I want more power not less.... Car now has a name though... Stinky Pete

If they do reprogram the ECU to meet the emission standards that customers "expected" the cars to meet, does that mean if it results in less power that customers can demand the cars be programmed or modified to produce the power they based their purchase on?


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[Carsten]

I won't take mine in... I want more power not less.... Car now has a name though... Stinky Pete

There is no emission testing anywhere in Australia - so we don't have to worry about passing any test, ever. If and when Volkswagen offer a fix, I would be very careful about what is being gained (lower NOx) and what is lost (lower mileage, engine longevity?).

That said, my Passat had its 15,000k service yesterday so I've now got a year to consider my options.

There is a potential class action website where people can register their interest - I have.

[Carsten]

I wouldn't describe stalling and telling lies to the government for 12months beforehand as "taking ownership immediately".

To the OP: AFAIK, there is no recall yet. To do a recall you need a fix. You also need to know precisely which vehicles are affected & VW isn't real sure which cars have the dodgy ECUs.

Ha ha. VW could search their database and know which engines have the defeat software, and where they were shipped. The current 'we don't know' is just stalling while they come up with a position or fix.

[wai]

There is no emission testing anywhere in Australia - so we don't have to worry about passing any test, ever.

Actually there is. Just doing a simple Google search brings up a numbed of testing laboratories. Here's one

https://www.vipac.com.au/home/automo...sions-testing/

and they list as one of their services

Emission tests to ADR27C, 37/00, 37/01, 70/00, 79/00, 79/01, 80/00, 80/01, EURO3, EURO4

But again, all those emissions standards apply to the manufacturer, and not the owner.

[Carsten]

Actually there is. Just doing a simple Google search brings up a numbed of testing laboratories. Here's one

https://www.vipac.com.au/home/automo...sions-testing/

and they list as one of their services

Emission tests to ADR27C, 37/00, 37/01, 70/00, 79/00, 79/01, 80/00, 80/01, EURO3, EURO4

But again, all those emissions standards apply to the manufacturer, and not the owner.

Thanks wai - I should have been clearer. There is no mandated emissions testing to keep existing cars licenced - unlike California, for example, where this is an annual requirement. Therefore, we can continue to use our cars in perpetuity without breaching any regulation.

[Darks RS]

Got a link? As I dare say hopes of selling stinky are slimmer now due to this

There is no emission testing anywhere in Australia - so we don't have to worry about passing any test, ever. If and when Volkswagen offer a fix, I would be very careful about what is being gained (lower NOx) and what is lost (lower mileage, engine longevity?).

That said, my Passat had its 15,000k service yesterday so I've now got a year to consider my options.

There is a potential class action website where people can register their interest - I have.

[wai]

Thanks wai - I should have been clearer. There is no mandated emissions testing to keep existing cars licenced - unlike California, for example, where this is an annual requirement. Therefore, we can continue to use our cars in perpetuity without breaching any regulation.

Exactly, and this is why there might eventually be a mandatory recall, however this is only mandatory for the company that has supposedly breached any rule. This does not mean that vehicle owners have to get the recall installed.

The only thing checked under the legislation in NSW is CO at a particular engine speed via a probe up the exhaust pipe.

What I would really like to know is precisely what the "cheat" was.

There has been some absolute rubbish spoken on this. In the latest soap opera that is the debacle, some intellectual giant suggested that they were using GPS technology, where if the vehicle was recording speed and distance but the GPS system was not reporting any change in position, it would automatically switch into "cheat" mode!!!!!

I mean, this individual probably believes that the James Bond movies and the latest movie "The Martian" are actually documentaries!!!!!

Please VW, just let the truth out, otherwise all this is doing is more and more harm to what was supposed to be an asset. Some of the commentators are absolutely clueless. Yesterday it was reported that yet another manufacturer admitted cheating. The new manufacturer being SEAT, only the reporter was surprised to find that SEAT was part of VW!!!!!

[Carsten]

I read that the emissions controls kicked in when the engine was running but (1) there was no steering input and (2) there was no braking. I don't think the algorithm is straightforward. This seemed plausible because the car monitors your steering input to decide when you are showing signs of fatigue and obviously the system knows when braking occurs.

I am less interested in how the cheat works and more what they intend to do about it. If the upcoming B8 does not have this, could VW retrofit that system?

[cru22z]

There is no emission testing anywhere in Australia - so we don't have to worry about passing any test, ever. If and when Volkswagen offer a fix, I would be very careful about what is being gained (lower NOx) and what is lost (lower mileage, engine longevity?).

That said, my Passat had its 15,000k service yesterday so I've now got a year to consider my options.

There is a potential class action website where people can register their interest - I have.

Where can I sign up?


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[wai]

(2) there was no braking.

This is the speculation.

If you look at the urban drive cycle which is shown in Table 2 on page 102, and then in Figure 1 on page 104 of ADR 79/03. you will see that there is braking involved in the first couple of minutes. Also, the test starts by the operator starting the car for the first time after a temperature soak, and this can only be done with the brake applied.

A lot of the claimed method of detecting is pure speculation, which is why I find it so amazing that VW accepted it. They are deep enough as it is, but they are doing nothing to get out of it. For some absurd reason, they think that by "finding the perpetrators and sacking them" they will get out of it with minimal damage.

They need to come clean with the logic that they are supposed to have used, as should every other car maker.

[Eaglehawk]

Google says:

Volkswagon class action investigation | Maurice Blackburn

[cru22z]

Google says:

Volkswagon class action investigation | Maurice Blackburn

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[Carsten]

This is the speculation.

If you look at the urban drive cycle which is shown in Table 2 on page 102, and then in Figure 1 on page 104 of ADR 79/03. you will see that there is braking involved in the first couple of minutes. Also, the test starts by the operator starting the car for the first time after a temperature soak, and this can only be done with the brake applied.

I am sure VW looked at the ADR, and US and other testing regulations and designed their algorithm to recognize the testing pattern - whatever that was.

Ultimately it doesn't matter how the algorithm works (and it does work very well) - the challenge for VW is now to meet the regulations legally and repair the public-relations damage. However disastrous this currently looks, they will be well aware that the public very quickly forget. Who now remembers Toyota, Honda, Ford and others who very recently had significant safety breaches that killed hundreds of people and resulted in $billions in fines? Pretty much no-one.

AFAIK the software in the VAG cars was developed by Bosch for testing purposes only and never intended for production cars. I fully support the removal of decision makers within VW who authorized the use of this software in production cars to blatantly sidestep emissions testing.