Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Pjones]

Hi everyone

I am the owner of a golf tdi that is affected by this issue. I have also received the email mentioned above from VW Australia. I am just wondering what are the options and interested in finding what affected owners are considering: 1) wait for the fix/recall from VW? and/or 2) register in the Maurice Blackburn class action? and/or 3) trade in for another VW model (assuming there is good incentives from the dealership/VW Autralia)?

I for one was considering trading in my golf before the scandal, but now since the mess broke out I am unsure what to do.

Cheers

[Guest001]

Hi everyone

I am the owner of a golf tdi that is affected by this issue. I have also received the email mentioned above from VW Australia. I am just wondering what are the options and interested in finding what affected owners are considering: 1) wait for the fix/recall from VW? and/or 2) register in the Maurice Blackburn class action? and/or 3) trade in for another VW model (assuming there is good incentives from the dealership/VW Autralia)?

I for one was considering trading in my golf before the scandal, but now since the mess broke out I am unsure what to do.

Cheers

Join the class action and wait. Nothing will happen overnight and you will get sweet FA for a trade in ATM. No good getting knickers in a knot when no one knows what and when something may happen

.Patience

[joel0407]

you will get sweet FA for a trade in ATM.

Yeh. Wait until the shortage. VW aren't selling any at the moment.

[arcadelt]

Hi everyone

I am the owner of a golf tdi that is affected by this issue. I have also received the email mentioned above from VW Australia. I am just wondering what are the options and interested in finding what affected owners are considering: 1) wait for the fix/recall from VW? and/or 2) register in the Maurice Blackburn class action? and/or 3) trade in for another VW model (assuming there is good incentives from the dealership/VW Autralia)?

I for one was considering trading in my golf before the scandal, but now since the mess broke out I am unsure what to do.

Cheers

I would have said if you love the car keep it and don't trade it in, but since you were thinking of doing that anyway you'll need to steel yourself that you'll probably now get less for your car unless you trade it a VW dealer, who might just support you with a better trade in price (if they don't, play the emotional card). With respect to the recall, at this stage I'm planning to ignore it. Lastly, I am not going to join the class action because I think this is just a legal firm exploiting disquiet and emotional distress.

[dinot81]

Hi

Was reading the German newspaper (Bild.de) earlier today and an article about VW considering a incentive for affected owners of pretty much giving a great trade-in price and big discounts if owner choose to purchase or upgrade to a new VW car. It seems the 1.6tdi alone is a headache to be rectified as software alone cannot fix the problem. They were talking of about 10 hours per car plus parts. Those deals could still come our way, just nothing official as yet.

Regards

[Elmura]

I for one hope all those wishing to score money from a company due to some law firm scraping the bottom of the barrel fail. I run a business and it's tough enough. What have you lost that needs compensating? Instead, consider how you have had such great fuel economy & power over the years; and not had to refill an adblue bottle every month. Saving money the whole time... Appreciate what you have


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[Rawcpoppa]

I for one hope all those wishing to score money from a company due to some law firm scraping the bottom of the barrel fail. I run a business and it's tough enough. What have you lost that needs compensating? Instead, consider how you have had such great fuel economy & power over the years; and not had to refill an adblue bottle every month. Saving money the whole time... Appreciate what you have


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You have a point if you run your business in a fair manner. If you do not run your business in a fair manner your point is moot.

[Elmura]

You have a point if you run your business in a fair manner. If you do not run your business in a fair manner your point is moot.

Over the years, I've had customers who haven't paid what's owed for my hard work and goods costing me a fortune. Typically, they're scumbag scammers or white collar criminals. To get the law to provide justice is a joke. Unless you're happy to spend a fortune to get solicitors involved.

If you're referring to VW & the emissions breach, your point is moot. They didn't rip you off, treat you unfairly nor provide you with a product that didn't perform as expected.

[brad]

What have you lost that needs compensating?

Really? You can't see any immediate & future losses?

Trade-in value of the car is immediately lost.

In all likelihood, power will be lost & running costs will increase.

[Transporter]

If you're referring to VW & the emissions breach, your point is moot. They didn't rip you off, treat you unfairly nor provide you with a product that didn't perform as expected.

[Transporter]

In all likelihood, power will be lost & running costs will increase.

if that was true, then every APR and other brand tunes would have to be illegal.
...and a crime against the environment, how some tries to paint it.

[brad]

if that was true, then every APR and other brand tunes would have to be illegal.
...and a crime against the environment, how some tries to paint it.

When you buy a tune, you know what you are buying and what the trade-offs are.

I'm not sure why you folk defending VWs actions don't comprehend that the product was promoted, marketed and sold as being one thing and the reality was totally different.

I'll try an analogy you might understand.

In 1985 there were several Austrian wine producers caught adding antifreeze (diethylene glycol) to dry wine to make it sweeter. This was to appeal to the German market. Diethylene Glycol is toxic to humans but you'd have to drink 28 bottles of wine per day for 2 weeks for it to be fatal.

The wine was marketed and sold without telling anyone about the toxic substance (which wouldn't have killed anyone). Using your moral yardstick, that's OK?

Or, hypothetically, if you bought Diet Coke thinking there was 40 calories per can and later you found out they'd lied and there was the same 140 calories as normal Coke - that would be OK?

[Rawcpoppa]

Over the years, I've had customers who haven't paid what's owed for my hard work and goods costing me a fortune. Typically, they're scumbag scammers or white collar criminals. To get the law to provide justice is a joke. Unless you're happy to spend a fortune to get solicitors involved.

If you're referring to VW & the emissions breach, your point is moot. They didn't rip you off, treat you unfairly nor provide you with a product that didn't perform as expected.

Your first paragraph has nothing to do with mine with respect to companies operating shadily. Those customers who rip you off deserve retribution as well.

Your second paragraph is moot. VW sold people cars that they promoted as cleaner than they really are. It may not be tangible but trust for one has been lost. Their actions affect resale value as well. Not that important I agree. However what about those who will need to use more adblue for example after the recall? How would the recall affect the long term usage of the car is still up for debate as well. There was a reason VW didn't just do a software update before to fix this. It's not unbelievable that detrimental effects post recall may be observed.

I understand what you're saying in that some persons are joining just for joining sake but I believe it's too early to paint all the class action individuals with one brush simply because no one knows for sure the outcomes of the recall.

[Ryeman]

Really? You can't see any immediate & future losses?

Trade-in value of the car is immediately lost.

In all likelihood, power will be lost & running costs will increase.

Quite!

If VW want to deal with all the demand/supply issues from this disaster they should immediately declare their confidence in their own product by announcing an increase in the warranty period for ALL VAG products from 3 to 5 years and 100 to 160K
If they're sooo good, I dare you!
(more servicing income as well)

[arcadelt]

I'm not sure why you folk defending VWs actions don't comprehend that the product was promoted, marketed and sold as being one thing and the reality was totally different.

Different yes, but not totally different!

The analogies you cite paint a picture of products that are fundamentally changed as a result of deceit, but a Volkswagen car is not fundamentally changed. The looks are the same, the colour is the same, the handling is the same, the comfort is the same, etc, etc...and even after the fix is applied, the car will not be totally different, but may be somewhat different with slightly less fuel economy and/or power (but probably not so much that the average person will notice), yet it will be cleaner too - so on balance, perhaps one could argue a 1 to 2% difference between marketing and reality. I'd argue that the standard deviation between marketing and reality for most products advertised today (wow, have a look at the cosmetic industry for example) would ordinarily be greater than that range anyway, so in my mind makes the actually difference nearly negligible.

The question then that remains to be answered (and I haven't seen it anywhere yet) is what was the cumulative impact of the extra emissions to both people and the environment. This links to an owners expectations of virtuousness, and is where the difference between marketing and reality could be tangible - but oh so difficult to measure.