Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Dutch77]

Oh look - someone is trying to steal the thread!

[Transporter]

Oh look - someone is trying to steal the thread!

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...yes some people have too much time to post the rubbish info often pulled out from who knows where. The Wikipedia is not always right, anyone, even the dummest can edit it at any time.

[doc_777]

...yes some people have too much time to post the rubbish info often pulled out from who knows where. The Wikipedia is not always right, anyone, even the dummest can edit it at any time.

Zachery. And the rubbish they pull off the web is more often than not, not legally applicable in Australia...

[Rooboy]

And the rubbish they pull off the web is more often than not, not legally applicable in Australia...

this..

[doc_777]

Maybe the uk RAC will do:
Euro 5, not 4 from 2009.......
Euro 1 to Euro 6 – find out your vehicle's emissions standard | RAC Drive
But the rac just make up stuff to annoy VW.

P.s the ACCC believes it is legally applicable , and is using your money to prove it, curently .

maybe you should check which emissions requirements were in force in AUSTRALIA at the time.

So please tell us -what EXACTLY is the ACCC case based on?

[doc_777]

Maybe the uk RAC will do:
Euro 5, not 4 from 2009.......
Euro 1 to Euro 6 – find out your vehicle's emissions standard | RAC Drive
But the rac just make up stuff to annoy VW.

P.s the ACCC believes it is legally applicable , and is using your money to prove it, curently .

maybe you should check which emissions requirements were in force in AUSTRALIA at the time.

ACCC is pursuing VW over misleading consumers (which in this case is all they are legally empowered to do), because under Australian law, emissions regulations were not breached...

(Edit: noting also that the Australian Government through its regulatory compliance functions, is NOT pursuing VW for the compliance of the relevant vehicles, because no ADR's were breached...)

[doc_777]

This is a recording, I’ll quote myself from previous page:

“Euro 5 is close to euro 4 in Nox requirements, (.25 down to .18 so if your doing 4-6 times euro 5 your still 3-4 times euro 4........omg vw company court defense line and no quotation marks from you or what ?“

Now euro 4 was in force here afaik , which means vw where “ONLY” 3-4 times that limit on the road . Also vw marketed themselves as the “clean diesel company” and various other labels on cars and ads, which they have admitted where fibs , overseas, but supposedly not a fib here.

No evidence champ. You've provided nothing. No links to definitive sources, only "your word" (excuse me if I don't believe you are an expert in this matter).

When you are able to provide actual evidence of what the case is about and what laws VW is alleged to have broken HERE IN AUSTRALIA then I'll happily engage in conversation with you - however it appears that you are a bandwagoner and don't actually understand the legal situation here in Australia at all - you just want to use the Europe and USA experience, and think the same applies.


I'm not suggesting that the cheat software they used was a good thing. IMO opinion (for whatever that is worth) they should not have done it. But what laws have they broken?


It is common for real world emissions to exceed lab emissions. That is why we have lab testing - to provide the same set of repeatable circumstances. If the vehicles met Euro 4 levels without the use of the defeat software (which is my understanding that they DID - defeat software may have been installed, but was materially irrelevant to meeting Euro4 standards), then there is no emissions case to answer (which is why they cannot be pursued on that front by the Aus Govt).


However they CAN be pursued because of the "clean diesel" claims made by VW - which however is more esoteric and it is up to the purchaser to prove that that claim was a major factor in their decision making process. The ACCC have taken this case in that regard because they don't have to meet the burden of "reasonable doubt" in cases of this type - they are not criminal cases.


But hey, it's your rant - if you are so upset by it all, why are you even here? Why don't you sell your VW and go after costs?

[Umai Naa!!]

Only a very small number of people in the real world actually care about the emissions nonsense.

[theresanothersteve]

Only a very small number of people in the real world actually care about the emissions nonsense.

^^^ What he said...

[theresanothersteve]

Manufacturers have always cheated when testing.

For example they used to use light oil and strip off all the ancillaries when testing to provide power figures. When cars became dependent on electronics it was just easier to cheat.

I do not think anyone who bought a VW did it because of the emissions figures, and everyone knows to take the fuel consumption figures as a fairy tale (and interestingly the two are linked). We bought VWs because of build quality and leading edge performance. We hoped they would be economical.

And although VAG were caught, almost everyone believes all the other manufacturers are doing the same thing.

This doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.

And if the ACCC are successful in prosecuting VW for misleading claims they should go after all the other manufacturers as well!

[Dutch77]

No - no one else cheats. It just does not fit the narrative mate!

[doc_777]

Actually your wrong.
Your continual sprouting the vw court defense line for Oz, when the ACCC say the opposite:

ACCC takes action against Volkswagen over diesel emission claims | ACCC

Here’s a few direct quotes,
Emissions:

“Both VGA and VWAG engaged in misleading conduct by representing that the vehicles complied with Australian and European standards and all Australian regulatory requirements when, because of the defeat software, that was not the case.”

Marketing and advertising:


“Using information provided by VWAG, VGA marketed the vehicles in Australia as being environmentally friendly, clean burning, low emission and compliant with stringent European standards when this was not the case under normal driving conditions. “

So the ACCC believe the exact opposite and are prosecuting against your/VW’s claims on both our emissions standards and marketing.

So according to the facts, the only ranting going on here is those spouting VW’s defense lines.

WOO HOO! You provided some ACTUAL information! Wonders will never cease

You can believe all you want buddy, but in the end - all those cars are still legal to drive on Australian roads. But again - if you're so concerned, why are you here? Sell and move on.

[doc_777]

You forgot part of that line , their still legal,at the moment.... What if the judge hands down a ruling like USA ????
Also if your so confident and convinced of VWs innocence, why are you still commenting on this thread ??? Why not just sit back and when the ruling is given just say “told you so” instead of going against anyone saying anything about the case?

Oh good, answer a question with a question...


When have I said VW is innocent? Please, tell me where because I certainly don't recall it.


Or are you just going to answer my question with another one of your own?

[doc_777]

The previous post,”all those cars are legal......”.
Now here’s a question for you , I’ve given you ACCC evidence of prosecution for emissions, the only link I’ve seen from you was to the Audi web site claiming , “ve are innocents “ Yadda yadda. How about a test result that shows a 2009-15 vw under the Nox limits on the road??? Yup another question

P.s it’s pretty hilarious the pic with monkeys, considering the posters name.
Didn’t vw actually put monkeys in a diesel fueled DUTCH oven?????

The ARE legal. It's up to the court to decide otherwise. Until or unless that happens - no illegality has occurred.

Look, you obviously have issues with this whole situation, and appear to have some special needs as well when it comes to understanding legal and administrative process - all good, I won't confuse the matter with you any longer.

[doc_777]

You can't seem to grap the

You truly do follow the vw ethos , if your threatened by or lose an argument resort to insults and intimidation.
The only special needs I have are against stool pigeons who either voluntarily or otherwise repeat the vw lines of innocence, diversion and diffusion to try and hide their actions .
Ohh look others did it; not to the same extent.
It’s about carbon; no it’s not .
It’s all legal here; well ACCC is in court saying opposite .
Ohh their all ambo chasers; no ambos here, yet.
But their reliable ,high performance and advanced tech: umm no, playing catch-up , and similar or lower tech compared to others, except for emissions dodging, where they where No1 by a mile.
Don’t talk about this it’s going to devalue the cars further ; really? Vw basically said DILLIGAF when they installed the scam and continue to say DILLIGAF to Us and the EU because the longer they can get away with it, the less they have to pay to actually fix it.

Being the biggest car maker, they should lead by example, not lead by scamming the highest emissions, putting profit before health.

Uh huh. Just take a bex and have a nice lie down.

You can't seem to grasp that no laws have been broken in this case UNTIL A COURT SAYS THEY HAVE.