Volkswagen under investigation over illegal software that masks pollution

[Guest001]

Sadly, there are lot of people who believe and spread many nonsenses the media feeds them.

Meaning?????

[theresanothersteve]

It's an interesting issue.

Many people opt to use a dealer for servicing to ensure they get the latest software. Indeed, I've heard people complain (including on this forum) that their software wasn't updated. Similarly, if a car has been recalled people complain if the recall isn't addressed when the car is serviced.

And yet the ABC article linked above dedicates a fair amount of space to someone complaining that the dealer intended to update the software as part of a service without their knowledge.

That's probably fair enough, although in light of what has happened I would expect the dealer would explain they were going to update the software. I have a fairly good relationship with my service manager so we discuss these things, but that is what I expect.

[theresanothersteve]

Meaning?????

The media is not a reliable source of information. They use word tricks to manipulate stories so you take the side they want you to take. They leave out facts that go against what they want you to believe but reinforce arguments for their stance. They do not present unbiased stories.

[Amalgam]

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U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer granted final approval on two key pieces of relief for owners who were duped into buying a dirtier-than-advertised diesel Volkswagen Group product, reports Reuters:

A federal judge on Thursday granted final approval on an agreement for Volkswagen AG (VOWG_p.DE) to pay at least $1.22 billion to fix or buy back 80,000 3.0-liter vehicles in the United States linked to the German automaker’s diesel emissions cheating scandal.

At a court hearing in San Francisco, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer also said he was granting final approval to German auto supplier Robert Bosch GmbH’s separate settlement, under which it will pay $327.5 million to U.S. VW diesel owners for its role in developing the engines.
While Bosch admitted no wrongdoing in its settlement, the supplier who helped develop the “test mode” Volkswagen used to deceive emissions tests is still forking out a considerable chunk of cash to those who bought affected cars.

Volkswagen, however, now has an approved plan to fix its 3.0-liter diesel cars, which include the Volkswagen Tourareg, the Porsche Cayenne and a number of larger Audis. You can read more about what goes into the proposed fix and buyback plan here.

Those opting for a fix will receive between $7,000 and $16,000 in compensation if the emissions fixes are approved by regulators in a timely fashion, per Reuters. However, if regulators don’t okay the fix for all 80,000 3.0-liter diesels, Volkswagen could be on the hook for $4.04 billion instead.

This comes on top of the $14.7 billion settlement over the 475,000 2.0-liter diesels sold in the United States. The current running total that Volkswagen is having to spend to appease American regulators, owners, states and dealers will reach up to $25 billion, and they still have more to go, as Reuters notes:

VW still faces outstanding suits from U.S. bondholders, other investors and suits alleging excess carbon dioxide emissions with gasoline-powered Audi vehicles.

Dieselgate just never seems to end, does it?


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[Ryeman]

The media is not a reliable source of information. They use word tricks to manipulate stories so you take the side they want you to take. They leave out facts that go against what they want you to believe but reinforce arguments for their stance. They do not present unbiased stories.

There are basic facts that the media carefully print for the historical record which even Murdoch and Bolt etc understand
and
there are Trump/interweb/Google/Facebook/Twitter OPINIONS designed to grab eyeballs/friends/followers/fashionistas eg ".....I read somewhere "

[theresanothersteve]

There are basic facts that the media carefully print for the historical record which even Murdoch and Bolt etc understand ...

Naive.

I would suggest you have more dealings with the media and then come back and comment.

It even goes as far as careful selection of photographs they use. Trust me, I've had dealings with print and video media in the past and would not trust them as far as I can throw them. I know the tricks they use to get the quote they want, and have seen how an extended interview gets edited, so much so that the interviewee cannot believe what they have reportedly said.

You are right, however, in saying "carefully print"...

[Ryeman]

Naive.

I would suggest you have more dealings with the media and then come back and comment.

It even goes as far as careful selection of photographs they use. Trust me, I've had dealings with print and video media in the past and would not trust them as far as I can throw them. I know the tricks they use to get the quote they want, and have seen how an extended interview gets edited, so much so that the interviewee cannot believe what they have reportedly said.

You are right, however, in saying "carefully print"...

Just so long as you aren't reinforcing the idea that Trump and his cabal deal in are actual facts.
Thats all.

https://zembla.vara.nl/dossier/uitzending/the-dubious-friends-of-donald-trump-the-russians

[theresanothersteve]

Just so long as you aren't reinforcing the idea that Trump and his cabal deal in are actual facts...

God forbid...

[Ryeman]

God forbid...

Libel laws are next on Trump's agenda.....the shutting down of the WaPo and NYT.........yr right, god help us!

[pologti18t]

Yet Takata (airbags) potentially has a recall close to 100M cars, resulted in the deaths of a dozen people and the injury to numerous others and get a fine 1/10th that of VW. Not to mention remediation could take 5yrs!

[feenix74]

Takata have not been caught trying to actively deceiving the authorities and then caught trying to deny and cover up the deception . . . yet.

[Amalgam]

Autocar test shows worse economy after Volkswagen diesel fix

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/autocar-test-shows-worse-economy-after-volkswagen-diesel-fix

The Autocar test was conducted at Millbrook Proving Ground to the standard set by the True MPG real-world test cycle of our sister title What Car?. The test used the latest international standard equipment for testing vehicles in a scientific and repeatable manner to industry standards.

It revealed that while NOx emissions were almost halved from 0.639g/km pre-fix to 0.351g/km post-fix, our test car’s combined fuel economy had fallen from 50.72mpg to 47.61mpg. This means that its CO2 emissions increased from 147.3g/km to 156.9g/km, a change of 6.5%.

The car we tested belonged to reader Jonathan Mudd and was a 2013 Volkswagen Touran fitted with the EA189 1.6-litre diesel engine, one of three units sold in the UK by VW fitted with the cheat software that needs correcting.


It is understood that the fix to the 2.0-litre diesel models is the most complex.

Our test focused on the impact on real-world economy of the fix that VW has applied to the engines, but the 2.0-litre engine type is also subject to a growing number of case studies and reports that the fix is causing breakdowns in cars that have had it done.

A report by the Volkswagen Diesel Customer Forum (VDCF) last month said owners of postfix VWs with the 2.0-litre diesel had experienced breakdowns, increased fuel consumption, reduced performance, increased exhaust smoke, excessive regeneration of diesel particulate filters (DPFs) and DPF failure.

Exhaust gas regeneration (EGR) valves, turbochargers and fuel injectors are also said to have failed and others report their cars having entered limphome mode or their engines having become noisier.

[dero]

My car is coming up for a service. I'm guessing that they'll ask me when I get there toward applying the software fix to the engine.

I'm hesitant.

On one hand, there's the above detail where the fix is a full fix to meet the regulation requirements.
On the other hand, there's situations where in Australia - even without the cheat being in place it would have met the less strict regulation requirements from the get-go.

So what software are we getting in Australia? A fix or a removal of the cheat code?

[Ryeman]

My car is coming up for a service. I'm guessing that they'll ask me when I get there toward applying the software fix to the engine.

I'm hesitant.

On one hand, there's the above detail where the fix is a full fix to meet the regulation requirements.
On the other hand, there's situations where in Australia - even without the cheat being in place it would have met the less strict regulation requirements from the get-go.

So what software are we getting in Australia? A fix or a removal of the cheat code?

You're game.

[dero]

You're game.

Context? Any desire to expand on this line of thought which ads to the discussion or answers toward the questions I've asked?