Volkswagen Issues Global Recall of 2.64 Million Vehicles

[Hail22]

Hi guys just checked my invoice from dsg recall and these were the oil codes VWG052512A2 next part reads
OIL ^^VCP 35A7 (1187)^^
does anyone know what oil this is . I couldn't find any thing on Google

I tried to find it, what I know for a fact its Ravenol Gearbox oil but to me the codes look to be a synthetic oil batch, rather than a mineral oil...I could be wrong though as its not currently listed on Ravenol but the codes are similar to the Synthetic oils they currently produce / manufacture.

VWAG has said regardless if my car has had mineral oil poured in they rather play it safe and have the gearbox / mechatronics drained and start fresh.

[Guest001]

Is there a TPI out describing the issue yet? I'm curious how the mechanism works with respect to synthetic oil damaging the mechatronic unit and how mineral oil is sufficiently different not to do this.

All known info is linked to in the thread the first post has the press release There was nothing on the recalls site last night under VW

[Rawcpoppa]

I checked etka looking for the synthetic oil used for the DQ200 DSG. In etka it only lists one oil and calls it transmission oil.

Part number: G052512A2.

A google search shows it as a synthetic oil but my impression is that it would be used for the clutches.

Does anyone know if the mechatronic unit uses the same synthetic oil?

I read thru a maintenance manual for the 0AM DQ200 and it shows how the gearbox can be refilled but it repeatedly states that the mechatronic unit comes pre filled and doesn't show how the mechatronic unit can be refilled. In fact it says that if any oil leaks out of the mechatronic unit it can't be refilled and there is no way to know the oil level. It's interesting to see how VAG will do the work on these.

Here is the document for reference:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewoboa52i3wm9a3/MEX5R008520-7-speed_dual_clutch_gearbox_0AM.pdf

The maintenance manual above states there is a separate hydraulic oil for the mechatronic unit but I can't seem to find it in ETKA.

[aussiejim]

I just spoke to service manager at werrebee this morning as I was booking car in for service ,he said the synthetic oil was changed during recall because of a high moisture content which was causing the mechatronics failure ,so mineral oil should be in there we will have to wait and see what happens next

[Diesel_vert]

Hi guys just checked my invoice from dsg recall and these were the oil codes VWG052512A2 next part reads
OIL ^^VCP 35A7 (1187)^^
does anyone know what oil this is . I couldn't find any thing on Google

Part number G 052 171 A2 is a synthetic transmission oil.

Part number G 052 512 A2 is a mineral transmission oil.

A2 = 1 litre, A6 = 20 litres

35A7 originally referred to a campaign sometime in 2008 which applied over a wide range of models, where the synthetic oil used in certain 5-speed manual gearboxes was replaced with mineral oil G 052 512 A2.

I don't know if 35A7 has a different meaning now.

I have a my13.5 polo gti.so am i in the recall? Where can i find out the gearbox model?

Your vehicle is fitted with the DQ200 gearbox.

Volkswagen will notify you if the recall applies to your vehicle.

I checked etka looking for the synthetic oil used for the DQ200 DSG. In etka it only lists one oil and calls it transmission oil.

Part number: G052512A2.

A google search shows it as a synthetic oil but my impression is that it would be used for the clutches.

Does anyone know if the mechatronic unit uses the same synthetic oil?

I read thru a maintenance manual for the 0AM DQ200 and it shows how the gearbox can be refilled but it repeatedly states that the mechatronic unit comes pre filled and doesn't show how the mechatronic unit can be refilled. In fact it says that if any oil leaks out of the mechatronic unit it can't be refilled and there is no way to know the oil level. It's interesting to see how VAG will do the work on these.

Here is the document for reference:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewoboa52i3wm9a3/MEX5R008520-7-speed_dual_clutch_gearbox_0AM.pdf

The maintenance manual above states there is a separate hydraulic oil for the mechatronic unit but I can't seem to find it in ETKA.

The DQ200 uses transmission oil G 052 171 for the the gearbox, and hydraulic fluid G 004 000 (i.e. G 004 000 M2) for the mechatronics unit.

The gearbox has a drain plug and can be refilled.

The mechatronics unit, which is separate from the transmission oil circuit, does not have a drain plug and cannot be refilled.

There was a changeover sometime in mid-2011, where DQ200 gearboxes made after this period used G 052 512 A2 instead of G 052 171 A2. However, it now appears that G 052 512 A2 is used exclusively for all DQ200 gearboxes.

I've no idea whether the latest recall proposes to use G 052 512 A2, or another mineral oil with a different part number. I'm guessing it'll be the former, but we'll have to wait and see.

[ziggyboy]

There was a changeover sometime in mid-2011, where DQ200 gearboxes made after this period used G 052 512 A2 instead of G 052 171 A2. However, it now appears that G 052 512 A2 is used exclusively for all DQ200 gearboxes.

And this is the sort of behaviour that pisses me off (and frankly, should piss off all of you). It's not that fact that VW cars have problems because as some people keep repeating, all makes have problems and all makes do recalls.

Volkswagen knew of the problem since mid-2011, and silently tried to "fix" it without dong recalls. Why are they issuing a recall only in late 2013 when they knew of the problem from before mid-2011. If they switched over at that time, this means they have investigated the issue way before. They have admitted that synthetic oil causes gearbox failures in start/stop or hot scenarios. How can that not be a safety issue? I have lost power while driving (gearbox switching to neutral). Once in a busy roundabout which was really dangerous. I have mentioned this numerous times for the past 12 months. It's a moment I'll never forget with my car. Thankfully I just drifted to a stop without incident (apart from a few angry people honking behind me). Again, HOW IS THIS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE TO WARRANT A RECALL WHEN THEY FOUND OUT IN 2011?

Some people do not understand why some of us are really upset about this. This is why. It has been more than 2 years since they changed some DQ200's to mineral... what about all of us who bought our cars from the time the DQ200 first came out??? One big... WTF????

[Transporter]

The ONE of the reasons why the products (not just the cars) have the recalls is that there are SOME (most) people who want to buy everything as cheap as possible.
...and also, because the corporations are greedy, but you gave them reason (and the convenient excuse) to make cars as cheaply as possible.

[Idle]

I'm inclined to agree with that — the first new car I ever bought (in 1954,) despite being about the most admired car in the street at the time, by today's standards really wasn't all that good, and it cost me the best part of three years income.

Looking at it today, as it sits mouldering in the garage, and comparing it to the TDI110 Highline I now drive I can't believe how crude it looks, and is.

And the VW would cost someone in the same job I was doing in 1954 not 3 years, but about 7.5 months wages.

[Guest001]

Pulled my recall invoice for the mechatronic unit out and it reads

Campaign 35CI

Parts
ATF Oil <<Vcp35a7 (1187 2 V*g052512a2
Recall code label 1 V*00001006
Mechatron 1 V*0am325025dxzzz

The good part Total cost 0.00

The date done was 03/10/13 Mileage 11900

So I guess it now has the mineral oil in the mechatronic part of the box?????

[Rawcpoppa]

And this is the sort of behaviour that pisses me off (and frankly, should piss off all of you). It's not that fact that VW cars have problems because as some people keep repeating, all makes have problems and all makes do recalls.

Volkswagen knew of the problem since mid-2011, and silently tried to "fix" it without dong recalls. Why are they issuing a recall only in late 2013 when they knew of the problem from before mid-2011. If they switched over at that time, this means they have investigated the issue way before. They have admitted that synthetic oil causes gearbox failures in start/stop or hot scenarios. How can that not be a safety issue? I have lost power while driving (gearbox switching to neutral). Once in a busy roundabout which was really dangerous. I have mentioned this numerous times for the past 12 months. It's a moment I'll never forget with my car. Thankfully I just drifted to a stop without incident (apart from a few angry people honking behind me). Again, HOW IS THIS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE TO WARRANT A RECALL WHEN THEY FOUND OUT IN 2011?

Some people do not understand why some of us are really upset about this. This is why. It has been more than 2 years since they changed some DQ200's to mineral... what about all of us who bought our cars from the time the DQ200 first came out??? One big... WTF????

The switchover in 2011 seems to be oil used in the gearbox. Not oil used in the mechatronic unit. This recall just issued has to do with changing the oil in the mechatronic unit. Your false neutral has to do with the mechatronic unit. I can understand why you are upset but I think we need more facts on the issue. When I google G051512A2 this is the first link that comes up:

http://syntheticoil-europe.eu/en/143-g-052-512-a2

It's saying its a synthetic oil. Now I'm confused as someone said its a mineral oil. And that's just the oil for the gearbox/clutches. There is even less info on the oil inside the mechatronic unit.


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[Rawcpoppa]

Even the jetta hybrid is affected and it's relatively new. I'm even hearing some golf 7 will be affected as well. 1.6 million seems quite low now considering how many vehicles ship with dq200 dsg.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/16/automobiles/volkswagen-announces-global-recall-of-2-6-million-vehicles.html?_r=1&

"Volkswagen will also recall 3,900 Jetta hybrids from the 2013-14 model years equipped with direct-shift automatic transmissions – with a DQ200 designation in the United States – the automaker reported to N.H.T.S.A. Volkswagen says the synthetic fluid used in the gearbox can cause electrical problems by allowing corrosion of the internal lead frame of the gearbox. That could cause a loss of power to the front wheels. The synthetic fluid will be replaced with a mineral-based oil.

The 2013-14 Jetta hybrid is the only vehicle Volkswagen sells in the United States that uses the DQ200 transmission, Mark Gillies, a VW spokesman, said in an interview.

The worldwide recall includes about 800 Tiguans, about 200,000 Amarok pickup trucks and 1.6 million vehicles equipped with the DQ200 transmission, the automaker said. Many of the vehicles were sold in China."



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[Diesel_vert]

It should be noted that vehicle manufacturers revise parts all the time as the manufacturing process evolves during the model's life cycle and bugs are continually ironed out. It also goes without saying that they don't recall vehicles for every single revision if they're not compelled to.

As a result, the most reliable purchases tend to be models that approach the end of their production cycle, which may benefit from all the latest components and revisions.

Such is the nature of the industry.

If I had my tinfoil hat on, I'd say this recall was instigated primarily to appease the vocal Chinese market - a massive, and therefore, very important market - as the number of DQ200 units affected in China stands at about 640 000 (40% of the total). In addition, Volkswagen have invested a lot of capital in China, so doing nothing may have added further risk and uncertainty on anticipated financial returns.

Despite that, I'm inclined to think this will benefit both manufacturer profits and consumer satisfaction over the long term.

Whatever their motivations, I hope this campaign will finally solve a lot of the problems on what has proved to be a very troublesome gearbox for Volkswagen, and perhaps really get the company to start looking at improving the overall mechanical quality and reliability of their vehicles.

Pulled my recall invoice for the mechatronic unit out and it reads

Campaign 35CI

Parts
ATF Oil <<Vcp35a7 (1187 2 V*g052512a2
Recall code label 1 V*00001006
Mechatron 1 V*0am325025dxzzz

The good part Total cost 0.00

The date done was 03/10/13 Mileage 11900

So I guess it now has the mineral oil in the mechatronic part of the box?????

The basic part number 0AM 325 025 refers to the mechatronics unit for the DQ200. DX and ZZZ are further identifiers which relate to a specific vehicle, engine or software configuration.

The transmission oil (G 052 171 A2 or G 052 512 A2, depending on the gearbox build date) is supposed to be drained whenever the mechatronics unit is removed from the gearbox, hence its presence on the invoice.

Once the original mechatronics unit has been removed, the hydraulic fluid is not drained by the dealer, and is returned to Volkswagen with the fluid intact. New or revised units arrive pre-filled with the required hydraulic fluid (G 004 000 M2 or otherwise). This explains why the part number for the hydraulic fluid won't appear on the invoice.

Therefore, I don't know what the part number for the new hydraulic fluid is.

The above information relates to the 35C1 campaign. I don't know what the latest campaign entails - my guess is that whatever component still has synthetic fluid in it (gearbox, mechatronics unit, or both) will be drained or replaced with mineral fluid, but again, early days.

The switchover in 2011 seems to be oil used in the gearbox. Not oil used in the mechatronic unit. This recall just issued has to do with changing the oil in the mechatronic unit. Your false neutral has to do with the mechatronic unit. I can understand why you are upset but I think we need more facts on the issue. When I google G051512A2 this is the first link that comes up:

G-052-512-A2 - Synthetic Oil Europe

It's saying its a synthetic oil. Now I'm confused as someone said its a mineral oil. And that's just the oil for the gearbox/clutches. There is even less info on the oil inside the mechatronic unit.

Using Google to research a broad range of sources (rather than just the first link that appears), I have a fairly high degree of confidence to suggest that G 052 512 A2 oil is of a mineral base.

[Rawcpoppa]

^^^ I think you're right on that too as I came across more sources (afterwards) referring to the G052512A2 as mineral based.

After going over that document pertaining to the maintenance of mechatronic units I'm more inclined to believe VW may be shipping replacement mechatronic units pre filled rather than issuing steps towards refilling with new fluid in existing mechatronic units. What do you guys think?

[ziggyboy]

The switchover in 2011 seems to be oil used in the gearbox. Not oil used in the mechatronic unit. This recall just issued has to do with changing the oil in the mechatronic unit. Your false neutral has to do with the mechatronic unit. I can understand why you are upset but I think we need more facts on the issue. When I google G051512A2 this is the first link that comes up:

G-052-512-A2 - Synthetic Oil Europe

It's saying its a synthetic oil. Now I'm confused as someone said its a mineral oil. And that's just the oil for the gearbox/clutches. There is even less info on the oil inside the mechatronic unit.


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That's plain wrong. Read the other posts in this thread. Some people with 2012 cars were told their cars are not affected by the recall.

That website you posted is probably wrong. It is not a VW site. It probably suggests oils that they think are compatible with the gearbox.

[ziggyboy]

Still think number of issues and the way it was handled is the same as all other manufacturers?

Volkswagen warned of systemic problem with Polo, Golf models, but waited 10 months to act