Toyota 86

[muli]

Re: Toyota 86

Who's dumb enough to pay retail these days?

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[team_v]

Who's dumb enough to pay retail these days?

TOYOTA 86 Cars for sale - Carsales Mobile

A lot of people actually paid more than retail in the first few months as demand was so high that dealers were asking 3-5k over base price and getting it becasue people want to have a "rwd enthusiast car that handles great" (read: sports car looks and mad skids yo).

[DoggieHowser]

Toyota 86

A lot of people actually paid more than retail in the first few months as demand was so high that dealers were asking 3-5k over base price and getting it

Ditto with the Polo GTI IIRC wasn't it?


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[team_v]

Ditto with the Polo GTI IIRC wasn't it?


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From memory they were asking more than retail for the Polo GTI because htre waiting period blew out to 18 months for a custom order.

[Diesel_vert]

The 86 provides a naturally-aspirated engine, a manual gearbox, a RWD drivetrain and, by most accounts, a well tuned and well regarded suspension setup, all enclosed within a relatively small, lightweight (for a modern car :p) two-door coupe body. With a RRP of $29,990 and a warranty.

If one happens to be in a market for such a car with all of those requirements, then there is practically no peer unless you start ramping up the price or start comparing used cars.

But for what it is and what it represents for the motoring enthusiast or purist, it's a good car.



If a nicely designed and appointed interior that's pleasing to see and touch is what one is after, then clearly, this car does not fit the bill.

[Lucas_R]

From memory they were asking more than retail for the Polo GTI because htre waiting period blew out to 18 months for a custom order.

18 months wait for a car that will inevitably blow up, chew oil like theres no tomorrow and who's gearbox will almost certainly play up constantly within 12 months..........poor bastards.

[Martin]

The 86 provides a naturally-aspirated engine, a manual gearbox, a RWD drivetrain and, by most accounts, a well tuned and well regarded suspension setup, all enclosed within a relatively small, lightweight (for a modern car :p) two-door coupe body. With a RRP of $29,990 and a warranty.

If one happens to be in a market for such a car with all of those requirements, then there is practically no peer unless you start ramping up the price or start comparing used cars.

That's a fair summary - look at the price of the Mazda MX5 (~$50K)

Only one problem, NOT ENOUGH KW, same problem in the MX5
It's hard to get out of a car with ~205kw (even if it's FWD) and contemplate living with the 86 or MX5
I contemplated it, and decided against it, mainly due to lack of squirt (have to admit I don't like the shape/look of the 86)

[DoggieHowser]

From memory they were asking more than retail for the Polo GTI because htre waiting period blew out to 18 months for a custom order.

It's also the same case here, long waiting times.

[Diesel_vert]

That's a fair summary - look at the price of the Mazda MX5 (~$50K)

Only one problem, NOT ENOUGH KW, same problem in the MX5
It's hard to get out of a car with ~205kw (even if it's FWD) and contemplate living with the 86 or MX5
I contemplated it, and decided against it, mainly due to lack of squirt (have to admit I don't like the shape/look of the 86)

Well, naturally-aspirated and turbocharged engines have their own strengths and weaknesses.

One obvious negative aspect of naturally-aspirated engines is their difficulty in developing as much power lower down in the rev range compared to a similar turbocharged engine. Likewise, it's less difficult to liberate more power in a turbocharged engine than it is in a naturally-aspirated engine.

(Having said that, with ever tightening emissions and fuel economy requirements, I fear it won't be long before the N/A engine will be all but history from the affordable performance car scene in the near future ).

One way of getting around that is to make to car lighter, which also tends to improve nearly every aspect of the car simultaneously, but given the intended selling price of the 86, I suppose there was only so much Toyota were prepared to do.

[DoggieHowser]

I haven't driven the 86 but if the principles are similar to the Porsche Cayman/Boxster, there's something fundamentally "right" about partnering an NA engine's torque response to a RWD car. The loss in traction with an NA car is far more progressive, with a linear torque buildup and far easier to catch when you are stringing a couple of corners together. An on/off torque curve could be far more harrowing and can be frustrating to drive.

[FSI 220]

That's a fair summary - look at the price of the Mazda MX5 (~$50K)

Only one problem, NOT ENOUGH KW, same problem in the MX5
It's hard to get out of a car with ~205kw (even if it's FWD) and contemplate living with the 86 or MX5
I contemplated it, and decided against it, mainly due to lack of squirt (have to admit I don't like the shape/look of the 86)

I got out of a 220kw awd Passat and bought an MX5 NC1 roadster to fill in a gap year inbetween real cars... the NC1 is a million times funner, DoggieH makes a brillian point, (but then I tend to agree with people that think like me)

Drive a 5 through a clear un-Camry-ed Nasho, Maquari Pass, Kangaroo Valley (insert your local twisties) and I think you would be enjoying it too much to worry about whether you rather being in a high HP car or not.... and I am a HP kind of guy (though not FWD)...

Whatever you like is good, I sometimes get annoyed when people judge what other peeps enjoy....

Edit... Except Camry's, I hate everything they stand for!

[ParaBul]

Edit... Except Camry's, I hate everything they stand for!

A Camry killed my first car - shunted me off the road, up a bank, hit a tree & rolled.

[Finance_Analyst]

It is a Toyota with capped price servicing for 3 years. Much more cost effective to own over a polo and no reliability concerns with the twin charger motor or dsg.

[team_v]

It is a Toyota with capped price servicing for 3 years. Much more cost effective to own over a polo and no reliability concerns with the twin charger motor or dsg.

Capped price servicing that has to occur every 6 months which adds up to more than the 1 yearly service on my VW.

Why not just buy a Runout Mk6 GTI.

[Finance_Analyst]

Capped price servicing that has to occur every 6 months which adds up to more than the 1 yearly service on my VW.

Why not just buy a Runout Mk6 GTI.

Cos I already own a Mk6 GTI

Plus I already do 2 services a year anyway (oil and filter change every 6 mths) so it is six or half a dozen really.

Polo GTI reliability is the main concern for me, with all the problems which have been well documented