Drive less cars (Autonomous driving future)

[Transporter]

I'm not saying that the autonomous cars will never come.
However to put them on the road now
....is like bringing the first release of Nintendo game-boy to the chess championship and that's too generous, I should really say to bring "the calculator" instead.

Update: Tesla Car on Autopilot Accelerated Prior to Fatal Crash | Engineering360

[arcadelt]

Drive less cars (Autonomous driving future)

I'm not saying that the autonomous cars will never come.
However to put them on the road now
....is like bringing the first release of Nintendo game-boy to the chess championship and that's too generous, I should really say to bring "the calculator" instead.

Update: Tesla Car on Autopilot Accelerated Prior to Fatal Crash | Engineering360

So when should they be allowed on roads? I also wonder how many times the autonomous and safety systems in these car prevented an accident, but have not been reported on?

[VW Convert]

So when should they be allowed on roads? I also wonder how many times the autonomous and safety systems in these car prevented an accident, but have not been reported on?

Perhaps when the manufacturers can prove there is no possibility at all of this happening.

Uber suspends self-driving car tests after vehicle hits and kills woman crossing the street in Arizona - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Bad luck to the innocent pedestrian whose life has been ended, no amount of revision of the software and/or hardware or payment of compensation can ever bring her back from the dead.

No way in the world is this technology ready to be rolled out on public roads yet, I for one do not wish to become an unpaid, involuntary crash test dummy as they test their technology in public.

Cheers

George

[arcadelt]

Perhaps when the manufacturers can prove there is no possibility at all of this happening.

I for one do not wish to become an unpaid, involuntary crash test dummy as they test their technology in public.

Surely by that measure humans shouldn’t be allowed to control cars either. At the moment you have the potential of being an unpaid crash test while humans sort out their "software".

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia

[VW Convert]

Surely by that measure humans shouldn’t be allowed to control cars either. At the moment you have the potential of being an unpaid crash test while humans sort out their "software".

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia

Not at all, I don't believe in replacing one imperfect technology with another imperfect technology.

By all means we should encourage technology as an aid to assisting us humans with our imperfect "software" to avoid accidents whilst perfecting the technology but let's wait until it is perfected before making the existing flawed "software" redundant.

Cheers

George

[Cheezel]

I suspect that there have been more human driven car crashes resulting in deaths than that of autonomous cars. Life will change, but I'm not looking forward to not being able to drive. I like it too much.

[VW Convert]

I suspect that there have been more human driven car crashes resulting in deaths than that of autonomous cars. Life will change, but I'm not looking forward to not being able to drive. I like it too much.

Given that millions of humans have had more than a century head start on autonomous vehicles that's hardly a fair comparison!

Cheers

George

[Sunny43.5]

I suspect that there have been more human driven car crashes resulting in deaths than that of autonomous cars. Life will change, but I'm not looking forward to not being able to drive. I like it too much.

My take on autonomous cars is that I like to think the reason I have drivers license is because I can use my eyes and brain to drive and make decisions , I always tell people about the first autonomous planes with fly by wire tech , one particular one was a flight in Europe where the pilots were fighting with a computer for control of the plane , it was doing roller coaster dives and climbs for apparently quite some time . According to a pilot of another airline who witnessed part of the flight , it became evident the pilots were losing the fight as each climb was followed by a bigger decent until it crashed into the ground . Autonomous plane "1 " experienced pilots and a hundred or so passengers "nil "

[arcadelt]

Not at all, I don't believe in replacing one imperfect technology with another imperfect technology.

By all means we should encourage technology as an aid to assisting us humans with our imperfect "software" to avoid accidents whilst perfecting the technology but let's wait until it is perfected before making the existing flawed "software" redundant.

Cheers

George

It will never be perfect. When was the last time your computer crashed? I'd suggest recently, although no doubt it is world away from where is was even just five years ago...and yes, your Windows or Mac machine doesn’t have your life in its hands, but I'm making a point about perfection, which is unattainable, at least while imperfect humans are doing the programming.

Personally I would be happy with autonomous vehicles starting to populate the roads when they are demonstrably better. At least they won’t be tempted to put ultra-bright non-ADR compliant illegal bulbs in their headlight sockets, blinding every oncoming driver in the process 🤬

[VW Convert]

It will never be perfect. When was the last time your computer crashed? I'd suggest recently, although no doubt it is world away from where is was even just five years ago...and yes, your Windows or Mac machine doesn’t have your life in its hands, but I'm making a point about perfection, which is unattainable, at least while imperfect humans are doing the programming.

Agree, perfection is probably unattainable just as there are many humans who should not be allowed to drive but I think there has to be a significant period of time whereby the technology is used as an aid to drivers until it evolves to the point that autonomous vehicles become viable.

Let's also not overlook the legal minefield in terms of liability that will arise when autonomous vehicles are involved in accidents. The lawyers are going to have a field day!

At least they won’t be tempted to put ultra-bright non-ADR compliant illegal bulbs in their headlight sockets, blinding every oncoming driver in the process

No, but the stupid human owners may still do this!

Cheers

George

[Captain Courteous]

I enjoy driving my cars. Nothing will change that.

Autonomous cars are coming, that's just (sad) reality. I hope the future of motoring isn't 100% autonomous cars, would prefer instead to see an old el paso ad solution "Why don't we have both?"

[HiddenTaco]

We are a long way off.

Strap your self in because I'm about to go full conspiracy theorist.

Full autonomous self driving cars will be highly regulated because of who is liable. The manufacturer will end up being liable for accidents and because of this my prediction is that we will never be able to personally own a self driving car. Instead of ownership you will subscribe to a monthly service which includes everything like insurance, fuel, maintenance. Most people will use a shared car service that is on a schedule or on demand, other options include coffee, snacks and turning off advertisements.

Only very well off people will have a non-shared car but they still won't own it. It will drive away at night for it's daily charge.

[Sunny43.5]

We are a long way off.

Strap your self in because I'm about to go full conspiracy theorist.

Full autonomous self driving cars will be highly regulated because of who is liable. The manufacturer will end up being liable for accidents and because of this my prediction is that we will never be able to personally own a self driving car. Instead of ownership you will subscribe to a monthly service which includes everything like insurance, fuel, maintenance. Most people will use a shared car service that is on a schedule or on demand, other options include coffee, snacks and turning off advertisements.

Only very well off people will have a non-shared car but they still won't own it. It will drive away at night for it's daily charge.

Sounds a bit like the very first electric cars in the US , they would not let people actually own them outright so after the initial excitment of battery cars seemed to die the car makers bought all the car s back and destroyed them .

[Ozsko]

We are a long way off.

Strap your self in because I'm about to go full conspiracy theorist.

Full autonomous self driving cars will be highly regulated because of who is liable. The manufacturer will end up being liable for accidents and because of this my prediction is that we will never be able to personally own a self driving car. Instead of ownership you will subscribe to a monthly service which includes everything like insurance, fuel, maintenance. Most people will use a shared car service that is on a schedule or on demand, other options include coffee, snacks and turning off advertisements.

Only very well off people will have a non-shared car but they still won't own it. It will drive away at night for it's daily charge.

Only a small point and I get your main thrust of argument but if the OEM accepts liability for accidents and damage then the owner will not have to hold insurance. At this stage of the evolution of the motor car it is a game person who tries to forecast what is going to happen to vehicle ownership and how we utilise cars for personal use.

[woofy]

We are a long way off.

Strap your self in because I'm about to go full conspiracy theorist.

Full autonomous self driving cars will be highly regulated because of who is liable. The manufacturer will end up being liable for accidents and because of this my prediction is that we will never be able to personally own a self driving car. Instead of ownership you will subscribe to a monthly service which includes everything like insurance, fuel, maintenance. Most people will use a shared car service that is on a schedule or on demand, other options include coffee, snacks and turning off advertisements.

Only very well off people will have a non-shared car but they still won't own it. It will drive away at night for it's daily charge.

I don't think its conspiracy theorist, but the concept of owning your own car, that likely sits somewhere the majority of the day like most do is wasteful. I think those days are going and as they should. Autonomous vehicles don't have to be on roads, they could be on demand mini trams or trains. Or in dedicated lanes/roads. I love my cars and love driving, but when I was i London recently, I didn't miss driving in that traffic one bit when I could take the tube and get places very fast. I had a huge new E class merc on the drive around the rest of England including London and given the option would have taken a train everywhere with the speed and less stress even when they get crowded it still beats heavy traffic.

If you had the option to request a vehicle anywhere you went when you needed it at the cost of not having something sit and depreciate and lie idle all night and most of the day, including getting a more fun one when needed, or a larger one etc why would anyone want to sit owning the same thing ever again.