New Polo GTI revealed ahead of Geneva

[NickZ]

I hope there is a 5 door option. I prefer 5 door for practicality and to me the 5door looks no better or worse than the 3 door. In saying that, it would be great if they could offer both so everyone would be happy!

[Corey_R]

Yeah - don't get me wrong. I have nothing against them bringing in the 5 door models of the Polo GTI/Golf GTI or Golf R. There will always be people that need it, and many people that just get it 'in case' - in fact, in Australia the 5 door is by far the most popular.

But 3 doors is the 'traditional' design and the genuine 'hot hatch' configuration - just like 2 doors is the genuine sports car configuration. To not give us the option of 3 doors is frankly just insane, since after all, the 'GTI' and 'R' models are meant to be 'hot hatches'.

[pologti18t]

Found this

http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/pls/wwws/pubrvcs.view_app_details?sCertID=41882&sMakeModel=VOLKSWAGEN+TYPE+6R

Weirdish combos

1.4L FSI Trendline 3 door
1.2 TSFI Comfortline 5 door
1.6 TDI Comfortline 3 door

No docs yet released for the GTI.

[barra240t]

Just to clarify, the DSG is not a "dual clutch auto".



Not rev over 3,000 rpm? What would be the point of the GTI badge then? lol

I thought DSG is a dual clutch auto?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

[Tim]

in my opinion (which counts for little) if a gearbox shifts Automatically its and Auto. I dont care if it has 63 clutches . It still actuates those clutches automatically.

[Corey_R]

Yet from a mechanical point of view, it's litterally two manual gearboxes put together. So grouping it with traditional automatics which use a torque converter is also incorrect

[Tim]

Its quite a revolutionary Auto I agree

[Gti Dave]

Can't wait for it to arrive in Australia. Paid Dean at Volkspower a visit the other day and his personal mk6 golf Gti looks awesome.

[Sharkie]

DSGs are rubbish

It may be revolutionary but it is rubbish IMO.

Had a 118TSI Mk6 Golf DSG for 2 days this week.

Had the following issues ....

The pause is still there upon pulloff .... when you want to pull off nothing happens for about half a second, so you press harder down on the gas ... then all of a sudden it leaps forward, much, much more than what you wanted. Almost jerks your neck off ....

Going down hill in D it slips into D6 ... then as you want to go up on the other side .... it sits in D6 and nothing happens untill the car almost stalls ... it then decides ... OK D5 .... and nothing happens and the car almost stalls ... it then decides .... OK D4 etc etc etc untill eventually you have either reached an appropriate gear or crawled over the top of the hill ... in a manual you would have simply selected the proper gear and that would have been it. The position of my foot .... flat on it or not ... did not make any difference ...

Trying it out in S then to sort out the abovementioned problem .... yes ? .... NO ... in S it keeps the revs at around 3500 or higher at all times .... which is ridiculous when cruising ....

So you end up switching between S and D and the manually chosen gears all the time to "fix" the inherent problems of this "advanced auto" box.

Absolute waste of $2500 IMO ... I would have enjoyed relieving myself against a tree to the tune of $2500 more ....

If the GTI comes in a DSG only then I will never ... ever ... ever buy 1 again.

If it has a D for dummy or S for stupid then look elsewhere .....

[pixl]

LOL! You crack me up, Sharkie, but you're spot on!

Here's the snow vid again, proper aspect ratio and some music -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw9HA-V9Jlg Love the stance towards the end .... so hot!

I've said it from the start, I really love everything about the new Polo. But this talk of no manual and no 3 door? I have to wonder if they're deliberately trying to cripple it so it doesn't seem like such a great deal.

[Corey_R]

I've said it from the start, I really love everything about the new Polo. But this talk of no manual and no 3 door? I have to wonder if they're deliberately trying to cripple it so it doesn't seem like such a great deal.

Yeah - I've been complaining about the no 3 door in the Golf R for weeks now. But its even more ridiculous in the Polo GTI. I've emailed Karl.Gehling@volkswagen.com.au - but apart from getting an out of office (to say he's been in the office all week) and his mobile number, I've had no reply.

Has anyone at any other Australian VW forum started a thread or petition or something that we can sign to say we want the 3 door models?

[cme2c]

It may be revolutionary but it is rubbish IMO.

Had a 118TSI Mk6 Golf DSG for 2 days this week.

Had the following issues ....

The pause is still there upon pulloff .... when you want to pull off nothing happens for about half a second, so you press harder down on the gas ... then all of a sudden it leaps forward, much, much more than what you wanted. Almost jerks your neck off ....

What you have to remember is that the DSG is a manual, and your right foot is controlling the clutch and accelerator. a little throttle to engage the clutch, then push down.

Going down hill in D it slips into D6 ... then as you want to go up on the other side .... it sits in D6 and nothing happens untill the car almost stalls ... it then decides ... OK D5 .... and nothing happens and the car almost stalls ... it then decides .... OK D4 etc etc etc untill eventually you have either reached an appropriate gear or crawled over the top of the hill ... in a manual you would have simply selected the proper gear and that would have been it. The position of my foot .... flat on it or not ... did not make any difference ...

This engine has 240Nm of torque at 1700 rpm or thereabouts. It doesn't have to rev. Does take a bit of getting used to especially if, like me, your usual car doesn't wake up under 3000 rpm.

Trying it out in S then to sort out the abovementioned problem .... yes ? .... NO ... in S it keeps the revs at around 3500 or higher at all times .... which is ridiculous when cruising ....

Agree. S is not for cruising.

So you end up switching between S and D and the manually chosen gears all the time to "fix" the inherent problems of this "advanced auto" box.

Absolute waste of $2500 IMO ... I would have enjoyed relieving myself against a tree to the tune of $2500 more ....

If the GTI comes in a DSG only then I will never ... ever ... ever buy 1 again.

If it has a D for dummy or S for stupid then look elsewhere .....

Miss out on instant gearchanges, rev matching (especially in S), easier in traffic etc.

I drove the Golf for the first time in a while the other day, and the hesitation seemed better (6500 kms on the odo). You do need to drive a DSG differently than either a manual or slushbox, however.

If you want to drive a bad automated manual, find a Mercedes Sprinter van with the Sprintshift transmission.

[Sharkie]

This engine has 240Nm of torque at 1700 rpm or thereabouts. It doesn't have to rev. Does take a bit of getting used to especially if, like me, your usual car doesn't wake up under 3000 rpm.

Popular misconception that .... it only makes 240NM IF your foot is flat on it ... at part throttle you only have a portion of it and not the FULL 240NM .....

And my normal car makes over 400NM at 2000rmin so 240NM is puny ....

[Gav23]

Would you guys still like it if it were ONLY available in 5 door in Australia ?

Wouldn't bother me at all, I want a 5 door with DSG anyway. I can understand how it would disappoint others though...

[Flighter]

Some good news is that the 1.2TSI (3 cylinder turbo charged) motor will be coming.

The 1.2 TSI is actually a 4 cylinder engine, although with only 2 valves per cylinder. There is a very nice animation of the engine at work here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY91c8JCwv0