Forget TIP Install - Help!

[mozzzy_2000]

I've think I may have bitten more off than I can chew. In the middle of the TIP install & I'm already in trouble! Its far more fidly than expected. The 2 bolts you have to loosen are very difficult to get to & undo with just allen keys.
I was trying to undo the no.8 allen bolt that holds that hard coolant line and I've dropped the allen key in the engine bay. I can't locate it. That bolt is impossible to get at. I don't even think I can get to the turbo bolt either. Need help badly!
I'm pretty much grounded at this stage.

[shaneth]

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Grrrrr post length to short

[Blitzen]

For all of those others that have trouble undoing the 5mm and 8mm Allen bolts, put the longer end of the Allen Key into the bolt head, then use a ring spanner(about 13mm) over the shorter shaft of the key, and use this as an extension bar to undo the bolts.

Sorry Mozzy, that I didn't give you a heads up about how tight the bolts were, I really just forgot, and I am used to using the above method to undo things.

[shaneth]

For all of those others that have trouble undoing the 5mm and 8mm Allen bolts, put the longer end of the Allen Key into the bolt head, then use a ring spanner(about 13mm) over the shorter shaft of the key, and use this as an extension bar to undo the bolts.

Sorry Mozzy, that I didn't give you a heads up about how tight the bolts were, I really just forgot, and I am used to using the above method to undo things.

Yes i used a pair of multigrips at the end of the allen key. Worked well. Told Mozzy this.

Mozzy how are you going.

[mozzzy_2000]

Sorry fellas for the delay! Well she's in. And I think I may have set a record for the longest TIP install! 10.5 Hours roughly all up. Man that was a friggin' nightmare hey lol. Gotta laugh now. Wasn't laughing yesterday though. Yeah I think had I not ran into a few problems it would have taken only a couple of hours. But after I lost my first Allen key into the engine bay, I struggled & struggled to fit the TIP onto the turbo without being able to loosen the black coolant pipe. Found it impossible to fit without that being loosened & removed. I later found that an Imperial 1/4" key is almost the exact size of an 8mm key. For some stupid reason in my set of keys, the metrics are shorther than the imperials. Like you said Blitzen you need all the purchase you can muster. So it was suggested to me to use a socket extension arm on the key and once I did that it was easy to loosen. It had green loctite which is pretty hard to budge.

Anyway the main issues was getting that bolt back in once it was removed. The TIP hose clamp on the turbo ended up being the hardest part to do up in the end. And the TIP itself took ages to get onto the turbo.
Oh and the 'lost' allen key miraculously dropped down at the very end after it was all done. Dam that Murphy's law! Anyway all in all It very educational day.
I don't want to turn anyone off doing it themselves but it was a complete beatch to do really. Also its not something that a short person like myself can do so easily. You really need a long set of arms and legs so you can really get down into the engine bay. I actually had a friend of mine help me at one stage.

So anyway initial thoughts are mixed to be honest. Out of the couple of mods that I have done this one is the most subtle & least noticable IMHO. Apart from the initial APR chip I have done the torque arm insert which makes heaps of difference; A K&N airfilter which I believe to be easily the best mod you can do for the money. The airfilter is the biggest choke point not the stock TIP in my opinion. And the APR R1 diverter valve also gives a massive performance boost. I still got to do the SEAT intake which may help the TIP a bit more but so far the Forge TIP is no way as noticable as any of the other mods. It kinda smooths out the acceleration a bit more I think but its very subtle. I am kinda hoping the ECU still needs time to adjust so it may improve with time. But I guess in essence its the sum of all the mods thats where you get the benefit from. Its just been interesting doing them one at a time to see what effect each mod gives. I'd rate the TIP as one of the least necessary so far.

Anyway I really hope nothing goes wrong with it because I really don't want to be doing that all over again! lol

[Plautos]

Sorry fellas for the delay! Well she's in. And I think I may have set a record for the longest TIP install! 10.5 Hours roughly all up. Man that was a friggin' nightmare hey lol. Gotta laugh now. Wasn't laughing yesterday though. Yeah I think had I not ran into a few problems it would have taken only a couple of hours. But after I lost my first Allen key into the engine bay, I struggled & struggled to fit the TIP onto the turbo without being able to loosen the black coolant pipe. Found it impossible to fit without that being loosened & removed. I later found that an Imperial 1/4" key is almost the exact size of an 8mm key. For some stupid reason in my set of keys, the metrics are shorther than the imperials. Like you said Blitzen you need all the purchase you can muster. So it was suggested to me to use a socket extension arm on the key and once I did that it was easy to loosen. It had green loctite which is pretty hard to budge.

Anyway the main issues was getting that bolt back in once it was removed. The TIP hose clamp on the turbo ended up being the hardest part to do up in the end. And the TIP itself took ages to get onto the turbo.
Oh and the 'lost' allen key miraculously dropped down at the very end after it was all done. Dam that Murphy's law! Anyway all in all It very educational day.
I don't want to turn anyone off doing it themselves but it was a complete beatch to do really. Also its not something that a short person like myself can do so easily. You really need a long set of arms and legs so you can really get down into the engine bay. I actually had a friend of mine help me at one stage.

So anyway initial thoughts are mixed to be honest. Out of the couple of mods that I have done this one is the most subtle & least noticable IMHO. Apart from the initial APR chip I have done the torque arm insert which makes heaps of difference; A K&N airfilter which I believe to be easily the best mod you can do for the money. The airfilter is the biggest choke point not the stock TIP in my opinion. And the APR R1 diverter valve also gives a massive performance boost. I still got to do the SEAT intake which may help the TIP a bit more but so far the Forge TIP is no way as noticable as any of the other mods. It kinda smooths out the acceleration a bit more I think but its very subtle. I am kinda hoping the ECU still needs time to adjust so it may improve with time. But I guess in essence its the sum of all the mods thats where you get the benefit from. Its just been interesting doing them one at a time to see what effect each mod gives. I'd rate the TIP as one of the least necessary so far.

Anyway I really hope nothing goes wrong with it because I really don't want to be doing that all over again! lol

HAHAHHAHHAHAHA
I´m going to see this movie today!!!

Do you have to trim the TIP? Cut any part of it?

[Sharkie]

So anyway initial thoughts are mixed to be honest. Out of the couple of mods that I have done this one is the most subtle & least noticable IMHO. I'd rate the TIP as one of the least necessary so far.

You will actually find that a combination of the SEAT Intake, K&N panel and Forge TIP makes about 1 kw atw difference. Yes, a whole 1 kw.

It is not about extra power, its about improving the power curve. We have seen in extensive dyno testing that the combination means the GTI makes power all the wayto 6500tmin where a stock setup runs out of puf at 5200rmin.

[Blitzen]

Hahahahah...Mozzy, I did the job twice in a week...I wanted to change the bottom hose clamp at the Turbo Flange...Trust me, the second time is much easier, it only took me just over an hour to to that time.
Sharkie is right...After I put in the TIP, I noticed I had more revs higher in the rev range, especially after 5,000rpm, due to this TIP not collapsing like the stock one.

[Kai]

You will actually find that a combination of the SEAT Intake, K&N panel and Forge TIP makes about 1 kw atw difference. Yes, a whole 1 kw.

[mozzzy_2000]

Yeah I was going to say that it has made a difference but it is subtle. I am noticing it though. Do you guys find that it smooths out the power curve somewhat? Like you don't quite get that hesitation lag and then boost; its just all power, like you say, well past 6000RPMs? Is that what it does?

In regards to that metal 'nipple' at the very bottom of the TIP; what hose is that? I was wondering if its possible that it can leak through that since its the only inlet not to be fully enclosed?

And Plautos no you don't need to trim it at all. Infact you need every bit of it to make it fit. Its 'as tight as a nun's bum' one would say.

[Plautos]

And Plautos no you don't need to trim it at all. Infact you need every bit of it to make it fit. Its 'as tight as a nun's bum' one would say.

Yes it is a nightmare!

But I'm still fighting!

Thanks!

[mozzzy_2000]

Yes it is a nightmare!

But I'm still fighting!

Thanks!

I found that mine was virtually impossible to fit until I took that black coolant pipe bolt completely out. However be warned that its tricky getting it back into the bracket!

[Blitzen]

I found that mine was virtually impossible to fit until I took that black coolant pipe bolt completely out. However be warned that its tricky getting it back into the bracket!

This is the main thing you should do for some extra swinging room when it comes to putting on the TIP, also putting the car in neutral, and undoing the 3 13mm bolts that hold the cable guides for the shift linkages. This give you a bit more room too.

[mozzzy_2000]

This is the main thing you should do for some extra swinging room when it comes to putting on the TIP, also putting the car in neutral, and undoing the 3 13mm bolts that hold the cable guides for the shift linkages. This give you a bit more room too.

I was a bit iffy doing this. Is this the bracket that seems to be bolted to the top of the diff casing where cables go through? I found they were ok and could be manouvered around because they have a fair amount of give to them but I really didn't want to be touching those transmission cables in case I did something wrong to them, which for me is highly likely. I did after all drop an allen key, airboxs screw AND a socket head all into the engine bay! lol. But I guess if you did get those cable bolts loose the extra room would be usefull. However the coolant pipe bolt is a necessity I found & cannot be avoided.

[Blitzen]

No need to be iffy so long as the car is in neutral, but its good that exercised caution and forethought before you did it...I'm glad you got it all sorted though Mozzy, good for you.

To Plautos...Try wiping some soapy water or liquid soap around the inner surface of the TIP Flange where it meets the Turbo. This helped me greatly. Also, swearing at it loudly, and threatening violence against it will get it in.