Interesting torque figures for 7Spd Dual Clutch

[kaanage]

It also says sporty and performance

See Volkswagen Polo GTI - DCTs in the Market - DCTFACTS.COM

The Polo GTI also marks another important first: it is the first volume-market model to have dual clutch transmission as standard equipment. No alternative is offered to VW’s seven-speed, dry clutch DQ200 DSG gearbox

Whilst the link you DQ500 link provided has several obvious mistakes in it (such as saying the DQ250 has wet clutches too),

Doesn't it? The DQ200 is the dry clutch 7 speed DSG

[Corey_R]

Doh, sorry, yep brainfade! DQ250 not 250NM!

[Sharkie]

... the 7spd dry clutch is actually the "newest" of the lot .....

7spd 550NM wet clutch "family" has been around since late 2008 and the newer 7spd dry clutch 250NM only since late 2009 .....

And I won't be quoting Drive.com.au for their facts as they are almost always wrong ... TSI engines in the Tiguans are NOT changing .... been MK6 GTI (EA888 ) since 2008 .... and 125TDI not coming to Australia, its an overseas only model ...

But, for what its worth .... 125TDI in the UK only available in the 6spd manual .... and not that I'd rate the 6spd manual clutch at 550NM !!!!!

[Corey_R]

Sharkie, you're correct that the 7sp wet clutch family has been around since late 2008, but the 7sp dry clutch family has been around since early 2008.
The 7 Speed DSG 2008-01

[Sharkie]

Sharkie, you're correct that the 7sp wet clutch family has been around since late 2008, but the 7sp dry clutch family has been around since early 2008.
The 7 Speed DSG 2008-01

7spd dry clutch only hit Australia for the 1st time in 2009 in the Mk6 Golfs, but yes, designed earlier, I still believe the Q5's wet clutch to predate the dry clutch as the Q5 was unveiled in April 2008 .....

[Corey_R]

The publication date for the VAG Self Study Programme 390 "The 7-speed Double Clutch Gearbox 0AM" is 12.2007
Interestingly, there isn't a Self Study guide for the 550Nm 7sp in erWin. But Wikipedia is another source which states the dry clutch came first, in addition to the DQ500 article that DoggieHowser posted earlier.

[Sharkie]

The publication date for the VAG Self Study Programme 390 "The 7-speed Double Clutch Gearbox 0AM" is 12.2007
Interestingly, there isn't a Self Study guide for the 550Nm 7sp in erWin. But Wikipedia is another source which states the dry clutch came first, in addition to the DQ500 article that DoggieHowser posted earlier.

Yes, but the DQ500 is the VW transverse version, whereas the Audi longitidunal version predates that by a number of years .....

[gavs]

Bloody hell, this must be a record for a post getting to 3 pages in length!

I only posted it as a bit of a think-tank style discussion! So, do we know, 100% sure, that the 7Speed DSG in the new Tiggy is or is not the same as in the Polo GTI and Golf 118TSi....?

[DoggieHowser]

Got this from another thread:

DQ500 transverse


It's apparently used in the Audi TT-RS as well so not just in big SUV/trucks.

Audi S-Tronic longitudinal used in the S5 and R8s


Of course, this is all moot to the OP's question since there was already a source saying the Polo GTI 2010 uses the DQ200.

But it does beg the question: why no DQ500 in the Golf R?

I was looking at a couple of drag races between the 2012 GTR vs the 2012 Turbo S, and in the Fifth Gear one where they at least pitted two more equally capable drivers with decent launches, it appeared to me that the GTR had a better acceleration off the line but on a very long drag strip, the Turbo S' 7th gear gave it much better high speed acceleration vs the 6 speeder in the GTR.

I expect a good 7 speeder on the R would have really brought it to a different level from the GTI and maybe make that fuel consumption just a tad better.

Or is that reserved for MkVII?

[Corey_R]

Yes, but the DQ500 is the VW transverse version, whereas the Audi longitidunal version predates that by a number of years .....

Actually, the Wikipedia is talking about the Audi version and doesn't even mention the DQ500. As does the 03/08 date of the picture that Doogie just posted...
Here's a link to an article which includes the Audi press release for the 7sp wet clutch launch - Audi's press release is dated 2008-03-19

[Sharkie]

So, do we know, 100% sure, that the 7Speed DSG in the new Tiggy is or is not the same as in the Polo GTI and Golf 118TSi....?

Yes, 100% confirmed that Tiguan 7spd DSG is 550NM rated (and AWD) ..... also, 100% confirmed that new Multivan 7spd DSG is 550NM rated (and both AWD and FWD).

[gavs]

Yes, 100% confirmed that Tiguan 7spd DSG is 550NM rated (and AWD) ..... also, 100% confirmed that new Multivan 7spd DSG is 550NM rated (and both AWD and FWD).

That didn't answer my question Sharkie, that's like a politician or Victorian Police cheif commisioner's answer...

[Corey_R]

I'm not sure what Sharkie didn't answer, but if you need it worded another way:
The Tiguan & Transporter/Multivan both use the 7sp wet clutch DSG rated for 550Nm, and not the 7sp dry clutch DSG used by the Polo and Golf models.

[Transporter]

So, do we know, 100% sure, that the 7Speed DSG in the new Tiggy is or is not the same as in the Polo GTI and Golf 118TSi....?

I'm 100% sure that the 7 speed DSG in POLO and Golf 118TSI is NOT the same as in T5 and Tiguans.

[DoggieHowser]

So, do we know, 100% sure, that the 7Speed DSG in the new Tiggy is or is not the same as in the Polo GTI and Golf 118TSi....?

Asked.

And answered

See Volkswagen Polo GTI - DCTs in the Market - DCTFACTS.COM

The Polo GTI also marks another important first: it is the first volume-market model to have dual clutch transmission as standard equipment. No alternative is offered to VW’s seven-speed, dry clutch DQ200 DSG gearbox

at least for the polo bit.