New Passat 206TSI R-Line

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Correct!


The car (as a wagon) is $59,990, roof $2,000, paint $700. I don't know how everyone else feels about on-road costs, but I refuse to pay them. Shop around, there's usually a dealer who's willing to do a deal. I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded wagon, drive away.

What you need to see is that the $59,990 does not include GST. When you add roof and paint and GST you are about the 69k as a base price, then add for a new car Reg $750 and stamp duty $1900 and it's 72k list drive away.

I don't see how you can avoid GST unless you are buying through a business and can claim it, or you are some sort of tax guru. As for rego and stamp these are also government charges so its not possible to avoid these.
I don't see how you refuse to pay GST, REGO and STAMPS.... the car will not be legal to drive on the road!!! The only thing you can do is negotiate the $62,700..... And if you do things right you can get yourself a good deal, but you still have to pay the on road costs......

[booba]

What you need to see is that the $59,990 does not include GST. When you add roof and paint and GST you are about the 69k as a base price, then add for a new car Reg $750 and stamp duty $1900 and it's 72k list drive away.

I don't see how you can avoid GST unless you are buying through a business and can claim it, or you are some sort of tax guru. As for rego and stamp these are also government charges so its not possible to avoid these.
I don't see how you refuse to pay GST, REGO and STAMPS.... the car will not be legal to drive on the road!!! The only thing you can do is negotiate the $62,700..... And if you do things right you can get yourself a good deal, but you still have to pay the on road costs......

I don't think he is avoiding paying these charges. The dealer brings the price of the base car down enough so that the gst, rego, dealer delivery are included in the 62,700.

[chopper]

What you need to see is that the $59,990 does not include GST. When you add roof and paint and GST you are about the 69k as a base price, then add for a new car Reg $750 and stamp duty $1900 and it's 72k list drive away.

I don't see how you can avoid GST unless you are buying through a business and can claim it, or you are some sort of tax guru. As for rego and stamp these are also government charges so its not possible to avoid these.
I don't see how you refuse to pay GST, REGO and STAMPS.... the car will not be legal to drive on the road!!! The only thing you can do is negotiate the $62,700..... And if you do things right you can get yourself a good deal, but you still have to pay the on road costs......

The $59,990 is GST inclusive. The $2,000 is also GST inclusive, as is the $700. These are the list prices advertised by VW... all other 'on road' charges are then added by the dealer. I don't pay for car washes (otherwise know as dealer delivery) and the dealer can cover the rest (rego etc.) from their holdback on the vehicle. Generally, car sales are about volume, not profit on sales... unless they get a sucker who is so desperate, they'll pay anything.

You may be confusing GST for LCT (or luxury car tax). At $62,700, the car is below the LCT threshold ($64,132) and therefore exempt. If you are paying over $72,000 for the car, you will be subject to LCT... and adds 33c for every dollar over the threshold you are. It adds up quickly... and $72,000 for the car has $2,000 of LCT on it!

Like I said, I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 (including GST) for the car, drive away (and fully registered! ��).

(Edit - I should probably add, we've ordered one... so I'm not talking out of my butt!)

[SMOKEY]

I want to believe in @chopper 's version of events!

I also wouldn't let them detail my car prior to pickup, they mostly do more harm than good.


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[chopper]

I want to believe in @chopper 's version of events!

I also wouldn't let them detail my car prior to pickup, they mostly do more harm than good.

Ahhh... I think we've had a communication failure!

Let me try and clarify... the car is ordered and delivered as normal. I just negotiate the price to the point where the 'on-road' costs (stamp duty, rego, dealer delivery) are included, or I don't buy the car. There's usually a dealer who's willing to do it.

Don't believe them when they tell you they can't possibly do it... that they're losing money on the car. There's a thing called 'holdback'. They will show you the invoice for the car, saying 'I can't possibly sell it below cost'... which is true, but the dealer is allowed to 'hold back' part of the invoice cost (either a percentage or lump sum) per sale. They also work on sales targets from the manufacturer. Exceeding the target gives the dealer massive benefits. A sale lost to another dealer (depending on the circumstance) can have a huge effect.

In short... push hard, even if the car is new. As I said before, I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded 206TSI.

[Rocket36]

I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded 206TSI.

Hey mate. Can I ask which dealer? Cheers.

[chopper]

Hey mate. Can I ask which dealer? Cheers.

Any dealer! We used to change our cars over quite often and I've bought cars from many places. I've travelled over 500kms to pick cars up.

Don't for get to try regional dealers... sometimes a $200 flight to travel to pick up a car can be worth thousands off.

You need to be prepared to drop your money right away. When someone hits the price you're prepared to pay, pay up. If they hit your target, don't stuff people around.

[Dutch77]

^ which is also why they recommend going hard on deals at the end of a month, as the targets for incentives are often bracketed and so it can make sense for a dealer to even lose on one deal to actually gain a much larger deal incentive as a result of the additional sale.

At low 60s fully loaded I am massively tempted by this vehicle as I need some more room moving forward and have a soft spot for fast wagons. I can't imagine an Golf R wagon would be much less based on the Wolfsburg pricing which makes this a bit of a no brainer if you're happy to swap some dynamics for space.

[SMOKEY]

Ahhh... I think we've had a communication failure!

Let me try and clarify... the car is ordered and delivered as normal. I just negotiate the price to the point where the 'on-road' costs (stamp duty, rego, dealer delivery) are included, or I don't buy the car. There's usually a dealer who's willing to do it.

Don't believe them when they tell you they can't possibly do it... that they're losing money on the car. There's a thing called 'holdback'. They will show you the invoice for the car, saying 'I can't possibly sell it below cost'... which is true, but the dealer is allowed to 'hold back' part of the invoice cost (either a percentage or lump sum) per sale. They also work on sales targets from the manufacturer. Exceeding the target gives the dealer massive benefits. A sale lost to another dealer (depending on the circumstance) can have a huge effect.

In short... push hard, even if the car is new. As I said before, I wouldn't pay more than $62,700 for a fully loaded 206TSI.

Got it. You get the dealer to absorb the ORCs into their margin. It's not a loophole or a tax break, it's just a symbolic point you negotiate towards.....RRP - ORCs = your drive-away price.

You must drive a hard bargain!

This pleases me as I started looking at Skoda Superb's again yesterday given they're 10-15% cheaper. I prefer the look of the Passat however, along with the active display. Side note though, contacted Skoda Australia and confirmed the Skoda Superb 206TSI Sportline pack will be on sale from Q1 2017.

[chopper]

Got it. You get the dealer to absorb the ORCs into their margin. It's not a loophole or a tax break, it's just a symbolic point you negotiate towards.....RRP - ORCs = your drive-away price.

You must drive a hard bargain!

This pleases me as I started looking at Skoda Superb's again yesterday given they're 10-15% cheaper. I prefer the look of the Passat however, along with the active display. Side note though, contacted Skoda Australia and confirmed the Skoda Superb 206TSI Sportline pack will be on sale from Q1 2017.

I've walked away from as many deals as I've made! It's just my thing... don't let me influence what you pay for your car. If you have a good relationship with your dealer etc. you may be inclined to pay more for the service.

What's the Sportline pack on the Superb? I quite liked the Skoda... but my wife didn't. In any case, I'm happy with the 206TSI.

[SMOKEY]

I've walked away from as many deals as I've made! It's just my thing... don't let me influence what you pay for your car. If you have a good relationship with your dealer etc. you may be inclined to pay more for the service.

What's the Sportline pack on the Superb? I quite liked the Skoda... but my wife didn't. In any case, I'm happy with the 206TSI.

From what I can tell

- some pretty aggressive looking 19 inch wheels that my wife would love to introduce to a gutter
- 15mm lower ride height
- gloss black front grill and lower airdam, roof rails and mirrors
- chrome window trim is gloss black
- tinted rear and back window
- different shaped seats with a quilted alcantara finish
- carbon dashboard trim
- and supposedly a more sporty XDS electronic locking differential
- not sure on price difference but UK press release it suggests a $4-5k AUD premium (based on currency conversion)

2015 Frankfurt Motor Show LIVE: 2016 Skoda Superb Combi Sportline

It also suggest there will be an exclusive Sportline colour, called Dragon Green, which I could only best describe as 'nuclear cat's p1ss green yellow' and will refrain from posting the image but will leave a link here for those who dare:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GTG9_A4OZtc/maxresdefault.jpg

[chopper]

From what I can tell

- some pretty aggressive looking 19 inch wheels that my wife would love to introduce to a gutter
- 15mm lower ride height
- gloss black front grill and lower airdam, roof rails and mirrors
- chrome window trim is gloss black
- tinted rear and back window
- different shaped seats with a quilted alcantara finish
- carbon dashboard trim
- and supposedly a more sporty XDS electronic locking differential
- not sure on price difference but UK press release it suggests a $4-5k AUD premium (based on currency conversion)

2015 Frankfurt Motor Show LIVE: 2016 Skoda Superb Combi Sportline

It also suggest there will be an exclusive Sportline colour, called Dragon Green, which I could only best describe as 'nuclear cat's p1ss green yellow' and will refrain from posting the image but will leave a link here for those who dare:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GTG9_A4OZtc/maxresdefault.jpg

... but no virtual cockpit! That's really the bit which sold me on the 206TSI.

[SMOKEY]

Nup, no virtual cockpit

I guess they have to keep SOME distance between the two so that they don't directly cannibalise sales, but this certainly brings the two closer in terms of street appeal, but also price.

Skoda doing some pretty competitive finance rates at 1.8% comparison with guaranteed resale value (which has always been caused me to hesitate when considering Skoda).

206TSI still the better looking car IMHO.

[kamold]

It also suggest there will be an exclusive Sportline colour, called Dragon Green, which I could only best describe as 'nuclear cat's p1ss green yellow' and will refrain from posting the image but will leave a link here for those who dare:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GTG9_A4OZtc/maxresdefault.jpg

AAHHGGGGGGGRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My eyes!!!! It burns!!

Certainly stands out. You wouldn't mistake it for another car in a carpark at least...

[Passat R36]

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