7 Speed DSG starting soon?

[tigger73]

Also worth noting that the DQ380 is used widely in the Tiguan range including the 162tsi and even perhaps the 132tsi as well, both of which have less or similar torque to the Passat 206tsi

The Tiguan has the DQ500 7 speed wet DSG - same as Transporter, Q5 and TT-RS. It’s designed for high torque/high load applications.


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[tigger73]

7 Speed DSG starting soon?

Can I ask where you are viewing the MY18.5 Passat brochure ? The brochure available on the AU VW website was issued Sept 2017 which would still be the MY18 model.

Often VW doesn’t reprint brochures for the mid-year update as often the changes are minimal. I think they’ve just updated the specs document.

There’s a link a few posts back to the MY18.5 changes across the range. MY18.5 cars started in calendar week 45 2017.


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[Jondalar]

Both the 206 6 speed and the new 7 speed for the TDI are in the high torque (wet) category. As the flagship it doesn’t make sense.

Hopefully a facelift is imminent

Skoda Superb isn't getting an update until mid 2019 so I wouldn't hold me breath for a facelift. I've not heard of the 206 being paired with the 7 speed wet clutch in anything, you'd think they'd give it to the Arteon first if they were. I test drove one of those but the lag was terrible. I suspect it will have to wait for the 213kW equivalent motor.

[tigger73]

Skoda Superb isn't getting an update until mid 2019 so I wouldn't hold me breath for a facelift. I've not heard of the 206 being paired with the 7 speed wet clutch in anything, you'd think they'd give it to the Arteon first if they were. I test drove one of those but the lag was terrible. I suspect it will have to wait for the 213kW equivalent motor.

Arteon has the DQ380 wet 7 speed DSG matched to 206TSI engine.

Will be interesting to see what VW/Skoda do with the Passat/Superb in the next 12 months. It may also come down to what allocation they can get from the factory.


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[Jondalar]

Ahh OK well the Arteon I test drove definitely only had the 6 speed. Older model I guess (was discounted about $15k) Didn't like it anyway, very poor rear visibility and rear seat headroom too lacking.

[FarQ]

found this table on wikipedia. Might explain different usages of the DSGs.

[Jondalar]

So based on that table the Alltrack can't be getting the DQ380 as it has 400Nm

[tigger73]

I think you’ll find that table is just something that user put together.

The 140TDI Passat/Alltrack gets the new 7 speed wet gearbox. I’m sure the VW engineers designing it know what it’s torque rating is and are working well within the safe limits.

[FarQ]

So based on that table the Alltrack can't be getting the DQ380 as it has 400Nm

maybe it is getting the DQ381?

[Kachingg]

maybe it is getting the DQ381?

It will get the dq381 (a fantastic gearbox) the 381 is for 4wd and the 380 is 2wd the dq381 is rated at a max of 420nm

My tuner has informed me the clutch's on it are huge and can handle way more than 420nm with a dsg tune so rest easy it will have no issue with a 140kw 400nm output

[Jondalar]

Interestingly according the PDF spec sheets from VWA website the Passat Alltrack TDI with 7 speed DSG uses more fuel than the 6 speed:

Transmission 6 Speed DSG
Driven wheels 4MOTION all wheel drive
Performance#
0 – 100 km/h, seconds 8.0
Fuel consumption**
Combined, L/100 km 5.4
Urban, L/100km 6.3
Extra Urban, L/100 km 4.9
CO2 emission g/km 143

Transmission 7 Speed DSG
Driven wheels 4MOTION all wheel drive
Performance#
0 – 100 km/h, seconds 8.0
Fuel consumption**
Combined, L/100 km 5.6
Urban, L/100km 6.4
Extra Urban, L/100 km 5.1
CO2 emission g/km 146

[Rocket36]

MY18 140TDI here and it's a 6 speed DSG. It has to be the 6 speed DSG because of the torque.

[Jondalar]

The MY18.5's have the 7 speed...

[Rocket36]

The MY18.5's have the 7 speed...

Yeah I get that. But will use more fuel and I wouldn't trust it with the torque - the reason it's been left out of the diesels until now!

[Jimi]

No question the 7 speed wet clutch is an upgrade. They only gave it to the diesel which has more torque than the 206 petrol

Why would an extra ratio increase consumption? If anything I’d assume the opposite