Too good a deal for 125Kw TDI?? 2008 $29000??? 60k

[mebius9]

Hi everyone.
I was after a second hand Passat TDI
and came across a really good deal from a dealer

2008 125kw TDI
Sunroof <-- (edit not sunroof leather)
1 year VW warranty left
3 year dealer warranty
60,300km
$29000 drive away
History is clean not written off

What do you guys think?

[tryingavw]

definitely check it out. with a 3 year warranty ( compare any special conditions though) you are set to go.

Hi everyone.
I was after a second hand Passat TDI
and came across a really good deal from a dealer

2008 125kw TDI
Sunroof
1 year VW warranty left
3 year dealer warranty
60,300km
$29000 drive away
History is clean not written off

What do you guys think?

[Deeeshow]

not bad but 60,000km is up there I saw one on car sales 2008 model sedan for $33000 with only 11,000km

Passats do seem to go down in value quickly

is it sedan or wagon? wagons tend to hold more value than sedan from my reaserch

[mebius9]

not bad but 60,000km is up there I saw one on car sales 2008 model sedan for $33000 with only 11,000km

Passats do seem to go down in value quickly

is it sedan or wagon? wagons tend to hold more value than sedan from my reaserch

It's a sedan.
Yeah I saw that one too that's a very good deal too I think
but my budget just doesn't stretch that far... and this one has sunroof and 125 TDI is hard to find below $30k
I've placed a deposit.

Hopefully that DSG don't break...
Sigh.... DSG seems fragile what happened to the bulletproof German quality?

[spiff]

Hopefully that DSG don't break...
Sigh.... DSG seems fragile what happened to the bulletproof German quality?

Would the 3yr dealer warranty cover any mishaps? If not, are you able to get the VW extended warranty?

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f15/vws-3-year-extended-warranty-28828.html

[STV4SYT]

if you buy it make sure the seller has already done the 60k service as it is a big one esp with DSG.
Also its worth the money for the extended warranty to 6 years for peace of mind

[mebius9]

if you buy it make sure the seller has already done the 60k service as it is a big one esp with DSG.
Also its worth the money for the extended warranty to 6 years for peace of mind

Yeah, I will be buying extended warranty because of the DSG
So many people have reported problems with it and I'm very disappointed with VW's lack of willingness to fix it.

[Maverick]

Yeah, I will be buying extended warranty because of the DSG
So many people have reported problems with it and I'm very disappointed with VW's lack of willingness to fix it.

So many?

Lack of willingness to fix it?

Not sure where your information is coming from but the DSG is bulletproof, some have had problems with the mechatronics but the failure rate is very low. Every mechatronics that has a fault is sent back to Germany to improve the construction and they've covered repairs out of the warranty period as well so not sure what else you would like them to do.

[mebius9]

So many?

Lack of willingness to fix it?

Not sure where your information is coming from but the DSG is bulletproof, some have had problems with the mechatronics but the failure rate is very low. Every mechatronics that has a fault is sent back to Germany to improve the construction and they've covered repairs out of the warranty period as well so not sure what else you would like them to do.

Maybe it's not as many as it looks
It's just the impression I got after searching through Google.

So far I've seen dozen forum threads with similar stories

Low speed Jerkyness -> car goes in to safe mode -> dealer resetting mechatronic unit -> problem not fixed -> back to dealer wait for 2~4 weeks for new Mechatronics unit -> people buys extended warranty or wants to sell before warranty expires.

I'm thinking that's a little bit too passive of an action for company like VW to take...
see how Mitsubishi is offering 10 year or 160,000km* Powertrain Warranty?
if VW was so confident with their new technology I would expect them to do something similar.

[Maverick]

Maybe it's not as many as it looks
It's just the impression I got after searching through Google.

So far I've seen dozen forum threads with similar stories

How many own DSG cars on the forums? 1000? How many that own DSG cars just lurk without signing up? >5000? How many people sign up to post a problem with their car? >50%?

Low speed Jerkyness -> car goes in to safe mode -> dealer resetting mechatronic unit -> problem not fixed -> back to dealer wait for 2~4 weeks for new Mechatronics unit -> people buys extended warranty or wants to sell before warranty expires.

I'm thinking that's a little bit too passive of an action for company like VW to take...

What would you like them to do? Fly out a team of engineers from Germany each time a customer thinks he has a problem? Or just throw parts at a problem until it's fixed like a number of the big ones do?

Or are Volkswagen best off following through their strict processes which including resetting the box and allowing the customer to drive it, if this fails depending on the severity of the fault it is either reset again or the mechatronics ordered in and replaced when it arrives where the old mechatronics goes back to Germany to be examined?

Which do you think is better, the random replacing of parts that some manufacturers have their dealers do so the real fault if never known and the manufacturer loses a lot of money and ends up having to halt production like Mitsubishi OR the manufacturer has proper procedures and processes in place to ensure warranty claims are fixed efficiently and correctly?

see how Mitsubishi is offering 10 year or 160,000km* Powertrain Warranty?
if VW was so confident with their new technology I would expect them to do something similar.

LOL. Mitsubishi offered that warranty to try and keep the Magna alive, since the Magna was killed off they have been stuck with having to offer that powertrain warranty which is costing them a lot.

Why would VW offer something like that? They're not desperate and neither are they stupid, they're the number one car manufacturer for a reason. Mitsubishi isn't for a heap of reasons including that warranty. Maybe they should offer a 50 year 50 million km warranty!

[mebius9]

How many people sign up to post a problem with their car? >50%?

Good question actually,
I'd say more like 10% so every DSG problem on the forum reported should equate to 10 times more people with problem in real life.

What would you like them to do? Fly out a team of engineers from Germany each time a customer thinks he has a problem? Or just throw parts at a problem until it's fixed like a number of the big ones do?

It would be lovely to have couple of German engineers from Munich and have famous german banger in my mouth but that'd be too much
A simple "no questions asked mechatronics unit replacement" would be sufficient and quite satisfying
Heck, the car costs extra $10k above Aurion why not spare us from spending another couple of grand?

Which do you think is better, the random replacing of parts?

Yes, it will be very convenient from customers side maybe not from VW's but as I stated above
VWs sell at premium over other brands such as Toyota... so is it so wrong to ask for premium service? no?

You know VW have been in bottom ten in Vehicle Dependability Study for the last couple of years as far as I'm concerned, including 2010.
I think that really says something.

If you really love VW brand pick on even the smallest problems they have keep demanding and keep pushing them and not hide them.

and please calm down.

[Rocket36]

Please calm down? LMAO!!! You're the one flying off the handle with ridiculous claims, and now trying to compare a Toyota to a Passat??? Hahaha! This is entertaining... Please, continue.

[Maverick]

Good question actually,
I'd say more like 10% so every DSG problem on the forum reported should equate to 10 times more people with problem in real life.

Maybe that's correct but the forums also make up less then a percent of Volkswagen owners in Australia so you've just confirmed the problem isn't widespread.

It would be lovely to have couple of German engineers from Munich and have famous german banger in my mouth but that'd be too much

I'm sure you could handle it

[quote[A simple "no questions asked mechatronics unit replacement" would be sufficient and quite satisfying
Heck, the car costs extra $10k above Aurion why not spare us from spending another couple of grand?[/quote]

Are you insane? Most DSG niggles go away after a reset. VW are not just going to perform a $4000 a repair just to satisfy you. I explained that they have a procedure they must follow to properly diagnose problems and this is one of the reasons why they are the number one car company in the world - attention to detail.

If you want to drive a washing machine buy the Aurion, heck it's so bland and boring but it sounds like it would suit you just fine and they'll will be happy to replace parts at random to fix up any of your concerns.

Yes, it will be very convenient from customers side maybe not from VW's but as I stated above
VWs sell at premium over other brands such as Toyota... so is it so wrong to ask for premium service? no?

There's a reason why VW sell for a premium over the appliance makers and that's the total package, you get a car that is fun to drive and own, you get great German engineering and perfection, great performance, total integration and the list goes on. You won't get that from any manufacturer that sells a car called Prius or CR-V.

How you think a manufacturer swapping out a $4000 part (that has to come from Germany) on the spot if anyone complains about a minor issue with the DSG operation equates to premium service has got me stuffed.

And Volkswagen are not a premium brand, you want premium go for Audi which is a rebadged VW with a premium price and premium service.

You know VW have been in bottom ten in Vehicle Dependability Study for the last couple of years as far as I'm concerned, including 2010.
I think that really says something.

All that points out is that you don't understand how the survey (NOT a study but a survey) operates and what areas it covers.

If I produce a washing machine for someone to drive there is little to go wrong with it as it has manual everything and a tape player so I won't find any faults and will rank it high. On the other hand I buy a euro car which is fully loaded and I can't operate the headunit and have to go back to the dealer to be shown (reading the manual is too hard) and this goes down as a visit back to the dealer for a defect. No point explaining to someone who wants to drive a washing machine however.

If you really love VW brand pick on even the smallest problems they have keep demanding and keep pushing them and not hide them.

I love my car and can't fault it.

and please calm down.

Take your own advice.

[mebius9]

Please calm down? LMAO!!! You're the one flying off the handle with ridiculous claims, and now trying to compare a Toyota to a Passat??? Hahaha! This is entertaining... Please, continue.

Why can't I compare Aurion to Passat??
Passat is often called Europe's Camry...

You know Passat is not as prestigious as you would like to think LOL

First Class: Ferrari, Lambo, Aston Martin, Porche etc
Second Class: Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus, (maybe infinity)
Third Class: VW, Volvo, Saab (dead)
Economy Class: Toyota, Honda , Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi

Base model Passat is marketed sligtly above Honda Accord Euro and below BMW
you know Volkswagen means Folk's car right?

I admire VW's technology and design philosophy that's why I'm getting one delivered next week
but not even for a second would I fool myself to think that it's in the league of BMW or Mercedes.

I'm buying European Camry that's all.

[Rocket36]

Hahahahahaha! I don't drive a base model anything, ever! My car is streets ahead of many current model BMWs, Mercs and Audis and a lot cheaper... I considered the four big Germans when buying my current car but Merc, BMW and Audi can't come close to VW for the money. The VW interior is actually BETTER than the Audi, on par with the BMW and slightly behind the Merc. But please, keep the comedy coming!