Dyno Tuning vs ecu remap / chip tuning

[ron]

good things with turbo charged cars, easy to mod.

[Swallowtail]

So are you going to do the same thing with R36? How would you compare the standard R36 with the MPS upgraded?

Different... the MPS was quick and felt it. Huge torque from 2500rpm up to 6000rpm. Sweet shifting gearbox, and a third gear that could pull tree stumps.

I never 1/4ed it, but there are guys out there with similar mods to what I had pulling mid 13s, and certainly 0-100 in the mid 5s.

Handling was fun - VERY easy to get power on oversteer, and with sticky tyres it had awesome grip and poise, both in out-and-out grip on tight corners and also control and feel in high-speed corners.

The downsides - launching it was an artform. Very hard to get ballistic without bogging down or frying the clutch. The power delivery was typical manual / turbo - a big shove in the back, back off towards redline, change gear, rinse and repeat. Not smooth, but quick. Nothing like as refined as the R36, although more refined than the MPS3.

The R36 is smooth - you can get very quick very quickly and very deceptively. The DSG and linear power curve make for a steady progression towards and past legal speeds before you realise. My R36 is starting to loosen up, but with still only 2000ks on it and still stock is hard to compare with a fully loose and modified MPS. Not yet as quick in out and out terms I don't believe.

But where the R36 has the edge is in build quality, feel, comfort, included bits and pieces, the sound it makes (ahh!), and generally is a far superior car. Difficult to comment on the handling aspects as yet, as I haven't really taken it for a back roads blast. From what I feel so far it seems to hang on nicely, feels very progressive towards the edge, but more understeer-prone. In the MPS it would understeer in, but get on the juice early and it would tighten up the nose, push the tail wide and go. I don't get the feel that the R will be as willing to tighten the nose... although as I said I am far from experienced with pushing it hard yet!

Will I mod it... don't know. Possibly, although if I do it will likely just be a flash, nothing else I don't think. No way known I would spend $3000 on an exhaust, or $1000+ on a CAI.

[ron]

Different... the MPS was quick and felt it. Huge torque from 2500rpm up to 6000rpm. Sweet shifting gearbox, and a third gear that could pull tree stumps.

I never 1/4ed it, but there are guys out there with similar mods to what I had pulling mid 13s, and certainly 0-100 in the mid 5s.

Handling was fun - VERY easy to get power on oversteer, and with sticky tyres it had awesome grip and poise, both in out-and-out grip on tight corners and also control and feel in high-speed corners.

The downsides - launching it was an artform. Very hard to get ballistic without bogging down or frying the clutch. The power delivery was typical manual / turbo - a big shove in the back, back off towards redline, change gear, rinse and repeat. Not smooth, but quick. Nothing like as refined as the R36, although more refined than the MPS3.

The R36 is smooth - you can get very quick very quickly and very deceptively. The DSG and linear power curve make for a steady progression towards and past legal speeds before you realise. My R36 is starting to loosen up, but with still only 2000ks on it and still stock is hard to compare with a fully loose and modified MPS. Not yet as quick in out and out terms I don't believe.

But where the R36 has the edge is in build quality, feel, comfort, included bits and pieces, the sound it makes (ahh!), and generally is a far superior car. Difficult to comment on the handling aspects as yet, as I haven't really taken it for a back roads blast. From what I feel so far it seems to hang on nicely, feels very progressive towards the edge, but more understeer-prone. In the MPS it would understeer in, but get on the juice early and it would tighten up the nose, push the tail wide and go. I don't get the feel that the R will be as willing to tighten the nose... although as I said I am far from experienced with pushing it hard yet!

Will I mod it... don't know. Possibly, although if I do it will likely just be a flash, nothing else I don't think. No way known I would spend $3000 on an exhaust, or $1000+ on a CAI.

agree with you Swallow. once you take your R36 towards the limit you will see that it out handle the MPS. It is similar to driving the Evo X or VSpec GTR's. Iam very happy with my wifes R36, it tails nicely once pushed hard in mid corner and pulls out very well on exit.

[Rocket36]

pulls out very well... lol good work!

[ron]

pulls out very well... lol good work!

now lets talk about the car....

[ozr36]

agree with you Swallow. once you take your R36 towards the limit you will see that it out handle the MPS. It is similar to driving the Evo X or VSpec GTR's. Iam very happy with my wifes R36, it tails nicely once pushed hard in mid corner and pulls out very well on exit.

Guess I will find out for myself on that one as I AM replacing my Evo X MR with an R36

[Swallowtail]

Personally I can't see the stock r36 being as agile as an evo x. Too heavy and too much plough on understeer. But better in lots of other ways.

[ozr36]

It wont be any where near as quick and don't expect much under $100k to ever be as quick as my Evo X now is but times and needs change and looking forward to the 'other' benefits an R36 will offer me.