Looking at a used tiguan. persuade me

[walbjj]

My brother is c looking at a 2010/11 tiguan. This is the facelift. He is also looking at a 2010 Honda crv and the subaru xv.
As a current gti owner I said the tig sound be a nice drive. However I'm unsure about the reliability and quality issues wrt the tiguan.
Also. Which model would be the best? Its For his missus so speed isn't a factor so the 147 isn't a priority. Is the tdi better than the tsi?

Currently on carsales there r a few around the high 20k Mark. Most r well optioned with leather. Sat navigation. Ops and sunroof. I think 25k would snag any of the models.
Is v the 7sp dsg the same problematic gearbox as the golfs that has been in the news?
Cheers

[tigger73]

DSG in Tiguan is 7 speed DQ500 wet clutch rated to 500Nm (also used in Transporter and Audi TTRS) and not to be confused with the low torque Golf/Polo/Passat dry clutch DQ200 with the recall issues.

Facelift happened towards the end of 2011. So 2010 will definitely be the original shape. The facelift is 2012 model - released in October 2011.

Regards TDI vs TSI it's a personal choice. TDI for fuel economy and TSI if you want to chip it

No major issues - I'd just stay away from the FWD only 118TSI as this is the same twin charger engine in the Golfs and there have also been a few issues with this engine in the Tiguan also.

[walbjj]

Ok. So the 125 and the 132? Both very good?

[tigger73]

125 is pre-facelift (2008-2011) and132 is 2012-.

Both run a detuned 2.0 turbo petrol which is same engine mechanically that is in Golf GTI.

TDI is also pretty bullet-proof so you can't really go wrong with any of these.
No major problems with either of these.


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[walbjj]

So basically a flash from a tuner and either the 125 or 132 becomes gti spec? internals such as pistons and rods etc r the same?

[team_v]

So basically a flash from a tuner and either the 125 or 132 becomes gti spec? internals such as pistons and rods etc r the same?

Exactly the same engine as the GTI.
A flash for the 125/132 takes it to 189kw, well above the stock GTI.

[walbjj]

R u sure. My stg1 apr on my gti didn't get anywhere near 189. And stg2 would have been 189kw if lucky

[tigger73]

So basically a flash from a tuner and either the 125 or 132 becomes gti spec? internals such as pistons and rods etc r the same?

Exactly. 125TSI gets tuned to 189kW with stage1.

You get an AWD system so no issues with with wheelspin and uprated fuel pump if you want to add a DP to take it to 2+.

The only thing is it does weigh a bit more due to AWD system and the extra size. But stage 1 is a cheap upgrade to add around 60kW to the base model 2.0 Tig.


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[tigger73]

R u sure. My stg1 apr on my gti didn't get anywhere near 189. And stg2 would have been 189kw if lucky

We're talking flywheel kW and not kwaw. Drivetrain loss is around 25% on the AWD so on the dyno it will come out around 140kwaw.

But still a 50% increase over stock for $1,000 or so.


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[walbjj]

Either c way. You r saying that the Gti engine gets to Golf r power. 192kw with stg 1 tune. Whereas I had stg 2 on my gti and no way was it golf r power.
Either way. Seems like it's either the tdi or a well optioned 125

[tigger73]

Either c way. You r saying that the Gti engine gets to Golf r power. 192kw with stg 1 tune. Whereas I had stg 2 on my gti and no way was it golf r power.
Either way. Seems like it's either the tdi or a well optioned 125

Not sure what tune you had only your GTI but a stage1 GTI should be putting out similar numbers to a stock R. On a dyno the GTI will always win as you're looking at lower losses in a FWD compared to AWD drivetrain.

These numbers are based off APR quoted figures. They quote crank/flywheel figures same as the manufacturer numbers.

Anyway if you're looking at a Tig, the 125tsi offers pretty good value for what you get in terms of hardware. Though outright performance you're always going to be limited by the weight.


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[Sharkie]

Stg 2 125/132TSI Tiguan makes somewhere between 155 and 160kw at the front wheels (195-200kw at the engine) exactly the same as a Mk6 Golf GTI stg 2.

In fact at a dyno day in 2011, my Stg 2 Tiguan made more front wheel kw than any of the chipped GTIs there ....

And on the road, a tuned TSI Tiguan will embarrass even tuned GTIs off the line (due to AWD) for 40m or so and around tight corners (such as roundabaouts) where the AWD grip beats scrabbling FWD all the time.

Either c way. You r saying that the Gti engine gets to Golf r power. 192kw with stg 1 tune. Whereas I had stg 2 on my gti and no way was it golf r power.
Either way. Seems like it's either the tdi or a well optioned 125

I'd be taking this up with your tuner, as for most of the big name tuners that is exactly what we are saying. Tuned GTI makes more power than a stock R .....

[jets]

Its For his missus so speed isn't a factor so the 147 isn't a priority. Is the tdi better than the tsi?

It's interesting how this thread has moved away from the requirement of the driver. The consideration for the TDI should be the length of the trips as it's fitted with a DPF that could be a future problem. Best read the diesel section.

[MGV]

As far as the TSI as an option, just be aware of the fact the 2010 ( & earlier ) have a possible fault with the timing chain tensioner. I don't think it was a recall issue, but may be fixed at VW's expense outside warranty as it is a known issue...

[Bambazonke]

I think walbjj may be thinking of trading in his GTI for a 125 or 132TSI In the light of the performance figures posted by Sharkie and co forget persuading the brother at this stage