Flat battery problem after installing 9000-1 - any suggestions ?

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Simple solution is to buy the AVC9000, not the AVC9000-1. To my knowledge, this problem has not been reported on the 9000 (and mine doesn't have this issue).

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http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93281

Follow the link above, apparently the AVC9000-1 aka Waywal W6050 has an upgrade which has had certain bugs adressed icluding the power drain issue. The new fascia has a slightly different button arrangment and dosen't try to be an exact replica visualy.

[Maverick]

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93281

Follow the link above, apparently the AVC9000-1 aka Waywal W6050 has an upgrade which has had certain bugs adressed icluding the power drain issue. The new fascia has a slightly different button arrangment and dosen't try to be an exact replica visualy.

I didn't realise the AVC9000-1 was the W6050, the third generation of the W6050 had some CAN bus updates (I think this was when the CAN bus was moved inside the unit?) and that screwed up the shutdown, the unit could either be fixed locally by replacing a component inside the unit or by sending it back to waywell to be repaired.

[vincent]

Guys - Hi

I was perhaps the first Oz Tiguan owner to report the battery drain problem with the 9000-1. (I have a June 30 delivery Tiguan TSI manual).

Rob has just shipped a new unit with an apparently different pcb inside which should work better. The guys at FHRX are testing overnight for battery drain although as a "newer" model it may have an audio antennae quirk yet to be resolved.

As maverick and others have said - had this car been available with the RNS510 it might have been the better way to go - but as it was not I went looking for an aftermarket solution. The Auspack seemed a good choice at the time. As all up cost includes buying maps I am reluctant to go the path of importing an RNS510 from Europe.

The killer is the time lost (1+ hour trip each way) every time I have to take it back to the audio shop - gold stars to FHRX who have been doing the right thing as an audio sepcialist.

I will let you know how it goes later in the week - I am 50:50 on prospects of success.

cheers Vincent

[Arctra]

Hey Vincent.

I'm very keen to hear how this goes! So is this the infamous new "Gold" model that Oskar was peddling on the MkV forums, or is it just an evolution of the Waywell WD6050?

Now that I'm getting used to the quirks of the unit I actually don't think it's too bad. It's certainly not a well polished user experience, but it's good enough. A brighter or transflective screen would be nice on it, and I wish it didn't mute the radio when the reverse camera activates, but otherwise it's fine.

Cheers

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Arctra, can you customise the screens on your model like you can on the 9000 using the SunEdit software?

[Arctra]

Arctra, can you customise the screens on your model like you can on the 9000 using the SunEdit software?

Haven't tried mate, and to be honest I'm not likely to either. I'm satisfied with the current look and feel. Unless the SunEdit program can change the way the interface behaves?

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Unless the SunEdit program can change the way the interface behaves?

nup, stuck with that sorry.

[Tig2009]

Guys - Hi

I was perhaps the first Oz Tiguan owner to report the battery drain problem with the 9000-1. (I have a June 30 delivery Tiguan TSI manual).

Rob has just shipped a new unit with an apparently different pcb inside which should work better. The guys at FHRX are testing overnight for battery drain although as a "newer" model it may have an audio antennae quirk yet to be resolved.

As maverick and others have said - had this car been available with the RNS510 it might have been the better way to go - but as it was not I went looking for an aftermarket solution. The Auspack seemed a good choice at the time. As all up cost includes buying maps I am reluctant to go the path of importing an RNS510 from Europe.

The killer is the time lost (1+ hour trip each way) every time I have to take it back to the audio shop - gold stars to FHRX who have been doing the right thing as an audio sepcialist.

I will let you know how it goes later in the week - I am 50:50 on prospects of success.

cheers Vincent

Hi Vincent, how is the new avc 9000-1 ?Is this the mk5 version ? I'm keen to hear your thoughts on it as I'm about to buy one from Rob. He tells me the battery drain issue has been sorted.

Thanks

[ploz58]

im waiting too

i have the same problem as vincent, Im hoping rob has it sorted,
happy with the unit but as i leave my car for a few days at a time, ive had to jump start it twice which im not real keen on.

I also have a problem where the GPS loses signal after 30 mins,
Havent worked out whether its the software or the antennae

My tig, 6/09 TDI also had a dual fakra antennae on the back of the stock unit,
i was able to modify the adaptor to come with the unit, to fit, it wont just plug up as it, only involved trimmer the outer of the adaptor, " No volkswagen parts were harmed in the process"

otherwise i found the unit good, the positiion in the dash makes the screen hard to see and people in the back find it really hard to see the screen, particularly if a DVD is playing ( not while driving of course)

the iphone 3gs with blue tooth intergrates well and its so simple just to play the music over bluetooth, and it appears to be in stereo

regards

Phil

[Tig2009]

Hi Phil, do you have the avc 9001 mk5 ? or is it the previous mk4 version ? It still sounds like the CANBUS thing is not sorted yet.

Tig2009

[ploz58]

which model

hi tig,
Well i thought i had the latest unit, its not the one with the "gold body" that appears in other forums.
Im not sure which one vincent has been sent.

looking forward to seeing to see what he has to say

Its not the cars fault, hope we can get it sorted as its not a bad thing.

I dont like jump starting my car, and i do have to leave it for a while, and im not real keen on just pulling out the fuse.

but i do like the unit,
regards

Phil.

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Its not the cars fault, hope we can get it sorted as its not a bad thing.

sorry to bring up this subject again, but in fairness to everyone, the battery drain problem does actually appear to be the car's problem. Batteries running flat have been reported with the RCD510 and also now with RNS510 units.

[Maverick]

sorry to bring up this subject again, but in fairness to everyone, the battery drain problem does actually appear to be the car's problem. Batteries running flat have been reported with the RCD510 and also now with RNS510 units.

Actually this is not the cars problem. Show me one car that has this problem from the factory.

Is some ways you could blame VW because they have created a range of headunits that fit all their cars both from 6+ years ago and even current models. They have used standard connections, standard antenna connections and have made it easy to swap old headunits into new cars and new headunits into old cars.

But do people thank Volkswagen for this sort of innovate design that also keeps down costs or that allows them to keep developing one family of firmware or that allows new features to be added? No they don't. Instead they complain when they fit a new headunit into an old car and don't follow Volkswagens instructions by upgrading the CAN bus controller.

Because the rest of the car is modular you can also upgrade other parts including introducing new features that were not available for your car simply and easily because of the benefits of CAN bus.

So to make it perfectly clear people flash their headunits with firmware offering new features on a new headunit installed in an old car for which that head unit was never an option for 4 (four) years after that car was made and complain because of a power drain issue brought about by that firmware. Or they fit a headunit from a new model of car and complain about the power drain issue when the replacement of a $200 part resolves the problem.

Perhaps it would be easier to follow the Ford and GMH principles and have a different headunit for every single model of car and make changes to the harness at each mid cycle upgrade so you can't move head units around? Or that didn't use technology like CAN bus and instead have hundreds of wires running around the car and that use relays etc to switch off headunits. Sure you'd lose all the benefits of CAN bus and fuel usage would go up and all the nice little features we get in VW cars we'd lose like automatic lights off, different components talking to one another, lower fuel consumption, being able to alter just about every setting possible and diagnose faults from a handheld device.

Or maybe it would be best if people would accept that they don't know how the car works and that it's not like your run of the mill Ford or GMH before buying cheap headunits that are slapped out for a few dollars from China and seek professional advice when retrofitting headunits like the RNS 510 and RCD 510 into old models.

To sum it up, it's not the cars fault, it's not the headunits fault, it's not Volkswagen's fault but it's the fault of the owner and/or installer for failing to educate themselves and/or taking on a job they clearly are not capable of performing.

[Transporter]

These are very tough words Maveric. I could agree with almost everything what you said and I agree with everything about the aftermarket unit power drain.

These power drains after head unit swapping is discussed quite a lot on net, I saw some people complaining about the power drain issue even with RNS510 units how ever they didn't say if it was in the car that was not tempered with and everything was indicating that they installed the unit after purchase or onto different model.

I'm looking at buying AVC9000 for my T5 and also maybe for the Golf5 we have and I try to follow the discussion about the issue.

So, please everybody do not start to argue about the facts without the hard

evidence. Hard evidence would be someone having a problem with the factory

RNS510 unit that was factory installed at the time when he/she ordered the

car and nobody tempered with the electronics in the car including wiring after

the purchase.