Tuning / performance update

[team_v]

APR chip is for 125TSI and 147TSI

Oettinger do a chip for the 103TDI to bump it up to 125kw.

[Arctra]

is this apr upgrade only available for 103TDI and 125TSI?
or also available for 147TSI

thanks

It's not available on the 103TDI - the oil burners need an Oettinger remap.

The 125TSI and 147TSI are pretty much identical units and the remap is available for both of them I believe. You just won't notice as much of a difference as you would coming from a 125TSI, but you will beel the difference.

[clip]

Once again, the 125 and 147 are identical engines - just that the 147 has a different map. Both put out same torque of 280Nm. As they are the same, they both remap to the same power figures of 190kW and 400Nm. Some others here (Sharkie and Pullstarter that I know of) have added a cold air intake which takes them to around the 200kW mark.

The remap is a no-brainer if you have a 125 or 147, and I'd make that the APR version, not the Oettinger (I've had both, and the APR is a much better map).

I have no experience with the TDI's, but believe the Oettinger is the way to go for them.

edit: as Acrtra said, beat me to it

[Arctra]

edit: as Arctra said, beat me to it

I WIN!!!

I just did a quick look on the 103TDI and it seems to have the identicle engine to the Golf MkVI 103TDI. But what I find strange on the Oettinger.com website (because the .com.au one isn't up yet) is that although the map graphs are identicle, the Tiguan remap costs 200 Euro more. How the hell does that work? Same engine, but because the it's in a Tig it's more expensive.

I didn't get to check out a remapped TDI when I was up in QLD... I had the contact but just didn't find the time. Am still really keen to see what the performance difference is like. If anyone in Sydney's had their TDI chipped, please let me know.

[team_v]

I WIN!!!

I just did a quick look on the 103TDI and it seems to have the identicle engine to the Golf MkVI 103TDI. But what I find strange on the Oettinger.com website (because the .com.au one isn't up yet) is that although the map graphs are identicle, the Tiguan remap costs 200 Euro more. How the hell does that work? Same engine, but because the it's in a Tig it's more expensive.

I didn't get to check out a remapped TDI when I was up in QLD... I had the contact but just didn't find the time. Am still really keen to see what the performance difference is like. If anyone in Sydney's had their TDI chipped, please let me know.

Could be due to the extra research having to go into the 4Motion system in the Tig that isn't in the Golf.

Could also be due to adjustments in engine components due to sizing constraints such as downpipes and the like.

[Pullstarter]

Has anyone got a rough idea of the power output at the wheels with the APR remap? Thinking of getting a dyno run done and want to know what sort of front wheel kws I should be getting

[Sharkie]

Has anyone got a rough idea of the power output at the wheels with the APR remap? Thinking of getting a dyno run done and want to know what sort of front wheel kws I should be getting

Around 155kw at the front wheels with your setup.

[Pullstarter]

Thanks Johan, will report back when I get her done Apparently there's a plug I need to pull out on the rear diff so it's only fwd? Will ask Guy just to make sure, don't want it to launch off the dyno!

[clip]

Simon, as we know, dyno's inheritanlty give quite large variations in readings depending on a whole range of influences and circumstances at the time. So be great if you could set it back to stock map, do a run, then straight away switch up to performance map and compare the differences. That will give really good indication of what's happening.

[Pullstarter]

Simon, as we know, dyno's inheritanlty give quite large variations in readings depending on a whole range of influences and circumstances at the time. So be great if you could set it back to stock map, do a run, then straight away switch up to performance map and compare the differences. That will give really good indication of what's happening.

Good point John, I'll see if I can do exactly that if I can remember how to switch it

[Guy_H]

I WIN!!!

I just did a quick look on the 103TDI and it seems to have the identicle engine to the Golf MkVI 103TDI. But what I find strange on the Oettinger.com website (because the .com.au one isn't up yet) is that although the map graphs are identicle, the Tiguan remap costs 200 Euro more. How the hell does that work? Same engine, but because the it's in a Tig it's more expensive.

I didn't get to check out a remapped TDI when I was up in QLD... I had the contact but just didn't find the time. Am still really keen to see what the performance difference is like. If anyone in Sydney's had their TDI chipped, please let me know.

Different engine Management EDC 16 vs EDC 17 - a whole different set of tools required.

[jimbomort]

Longer gear ratio's in the manual Tigs would be awesome ... but expensive I suppose ....

Probably a good reason not too?, but wouldn't it be cheaper just to change the final drive ratio. Not sure if a 10% increase would get both 60 in first and 100 in second, but would go close and only push 6th out to 55klm/hr/1000rpm, no more than the Diesel Tig, upgraded torque would easily handle that.

Gathered you've considered? Anyway if 1st and 2nd got longer legs, longer legs right thru the gears could make good sense, so a change in diff ratio would seem to have some merit and I presume much cheaper? main question perhaps is just how much increase is needed, too much and diff is probably out, if that is, not for other ......

[clip]

...longer legs right thru the gears could make good sense,

not for me jim, sixth is already too tall for our low speed limits IMO. TBH, I rarley run in 6th unless it's on the flat in 110k zone (like Suny Coast to Bris). I got better economy driving down the New England Hwy from Toowoomba to Sydney using 5th most of the time travelling at the speed limit, than I did using 6th on the same trip 2 months later (I wanted to test the point myself).

3rd, 4th and 5th gears are awesome, perfect ratios IMO. But I'd love a taller 1st with a well matched 2nd to follow up.

Not sure how you could change final drive ratio, wouldn't that involve changing both front and rear diffs?

[jimbomort]

not for me jim, sixth is already too tall for our low speed limits IMO. TBH, I rarley run in 6th unless it's on the flat in 110k zone (like Suny Coast to Bris). I got better economy driving down the New England Hwy from Toowoomba to Sydney using 5th.......
Not sure how you could change final drive ratio, wouldn't that involve changing both front and rear diffs?

Clip yes I was thinking about it after I posted yesterday and as a 4wd probably means changing both front and rear diffs, so may not be that much of a saving in the end.

Anyway we all agree a taller 1st and 2nd would be good, variations in opinion on the other gears.

Interesting re fuel economy in 5th versus 6th. Cant say I've ever tested that, but from what I have seen on the MFD occassionally, sixth seems more economical at hwy speeds and should be. Your diff in fuel economy on the new england could be due to a range of factors - headwinds, direction (more uphill one way than the other), use of air con etc.

I'm in sixth regularly from 80-90, though it pulls cleanly from 75. Even at a 100, its virtually unstoppable in 6th (re hills), and plenty of go for most overtaking situations.

[jimbomort]

has anyone seen any specs for tiguan speed in gears or klm/1000 rpm for the Manual TSIs?

Having taken her for a blast last night, I am wondering now whether the gearing is even lower than I thought, especially in first and 2nd. I've searched the web a bit and called APR and cant find any such data. Best were some US specs for ratios, but without calculating tyre circumference etc still doesn't give you the figs and US spec may be slightly different anyway.

Secondly anyone tested/have any views on whether its worth taking the engine beyond 6000rpm, have wound it out a number of times, but not quite convinced the last 500 or so rpm are worth it (ie that upchanging at 6000rpm may give a better result than taking all the way to the redline).

SHARKIE - you do any acceleration fig testing yet?