Brake pads

[GRD]

I was looking at buying a set of Akabono pads for the Tiguan today, but it looks like they don't make any for the 2nd generation .
I bought a set of these recently for an old BMW I've got and was pleasantly surprised how good they were.
I haven't had to wash the wheels for a month and they're still clean. They also feel better than the pads that came out.

Anyway I got onto this site and saw the Ate ceramics got some good comments, but I can't find any of these either.

Has any one with a 2nd generation Tiguan found any dustless pads?

[tigger73]

I'm surprised that ATE don't have pads as they are very popular. Quite a few people put them on gen1 Tigs with good success/reviews.

[GRD]

Yeah, I was surprised myself. That's why I posted, thought that maybe I'd just had a man's look and was hoping to hear from someone that had actually fitted the Ate pads or some other pad that they were happy with.

[Diesel_vert]

ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2617.2 (front, pad length 175 mm)
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-7294.2 (rear, pad length 123 mm)

Your Tiguan 132TSI should be fitted with 340 mm discs on the front and 300 mm discs on the rear. The Golf R (and Golf GTI with the 17" brake option) is also on the same setup, except it runs 310 mm discs on the rear (but the same 300 mm rear discs for the standard Golf GTI).

In any case, the pad dimensions should be identical for both cars, which isn't too surprising since both cars are built on the same platform designed with parts sharing in mind (although VW may or may not specify a different pad friction compound).

As for availability in Australia, check with the distributor. HSY parts, if I recall?

[GRD]

ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2617.2 (front, pad length 175 mm)
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-7294.2 (rear, pad length 123 mm)

Your Tiguan 132TSI should be fitted with 340 mm discs on the front and 300 mm discs on the rear. The Golf R (and Golf GTI with the 17" brake option) is also on the same setup, except it runs 310 mm discs on the rear (but the same 300 mm rear discs for the standard Golf GTI).

In any case, the pad dimensions should be identical for both cars, which isn't too surprising since both cars are built on the same platform designed with parts sharing in mind (although VW may or may not specify a different pad friction compound).

As for availability in Australia, check with the distributor. HSY parts, if I recall?

Thanks for that information. I'd really like to go with Ate pads rather than some obscure brand I hadn't heard of. My search so far has come up with Centric pads for something like $28 US. and Wagner.
My Tiguan is a 162 TSI, same disc size as 132TSI???

[Diesel_vert]

Thanks for that information. I'd really like to go with Ate pads rather than some obscure brand I hadn't heard of. My search so far has come up with Centric pads for something like $28 US. and Wagner.
My Tiguan is a 162 TSI, same disc size as 132TSI???

Yes, that is correct. The pads should also fit your car.

[cameleon72]

Hi Diesel_vert and GRD
So this parts
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2617.2 (front, pad length 175 mm)
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-7294.2 (rear, pad length 123 mm)
will fit Tiguan ? I need only front to change, and I am sick of always dirty wheels, this ATE looks like better preforming than VW OEM original but no dust ?
Where is the best price and place to order locally in Sydney ?
Thx

[GRD]

Hi Diesel_vert and GRD
So this parts
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2617.2 (front, pad length 175 mm)
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-7294.2 (rear, pad length 123 mm)
will fit Tiguan ? I need only front to change, and I am sick of always dirty wheels, this ATE looks like better preforming than VW OEM original but no dust ?
Where is the best price and place to order locally in Sydney ?
Thx

I've just had a reply from HSY. Do they sell to the public or are they suppliers?

Front pads due into Australia end of this month or early September, about $412.
Rears in stock about $223

I am a bit surprised with the pricing seeing as I have just bought a set of Akebono premium ceramics, front and back for the BMW for $300 and $80 of that was postage.

[Diesel_vert]

So this parts
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2617.2 (front, pad length 175 mm)
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-7294.2 (rear, pad length 123 mm)
will fit Tiguan ?

The above parts fit the 110TSI (7-seater with 314mm front discs), 132TSI (340mm front discs) and 162TSI (340mm front discs).

The part numbers are different for the 110TSI (5-seater with 312mm front discs), which has the same setup as the Golf MK7 (288mm or 312mm front discs).

I need only front to change, and I am sick of always dirty wheels, this ATE looks like better preforming than VW OEM original but no dust ?

The performance of ATE Ceramic pads are similar to that of OE pads, but with lower disc wear and lower brake dust emissions.

Where is the best price and place to order locally in Sydney ?
Thx

I have no idea. I suppose you could try visiting Brakethrough Technology - ATE Australia and ring up various brake centres for a quote on supply and fitting, depending on your location.

I've just had a reply from HSY. Do they sell to the public or are they suppliers?

Front pads due into Australia end of this month or early September, about $412.
Rears in stock about $223

I am a bit surprised with the pricing seeing as I have just bought a set of Akebono premium ceramics, front and back for the BMW for $300 and $80 of that was postage.

My guess is that such pads are affected by higher raw material costs, due to the substitution of ferrous content in the friction lining with a range of suitable compounds and materials that are usually more expensive comparatively, while still meeting ECE R90 requirements (it is easy to make low dust pads with a low friction rating).

My other guess is that manufacturers assume private car owners who have an interest in exterior maintenance are more likely to shell out for products that meet their needs and thus charge accordingly.

Having said that, I think $400+ is rather expensive for low dust pads with OE performance. That is high-performance/track day/motorsport territory.

I did note however that on one or two of the major European online parts stores, these particular front pads cost around 70% more (!) than ones that fit the 110TSI (also ATE Ceramic) and are currently out of stock.

[GRD]

OK I've managed to find these Ate pads at a much more reasonable price.
In the description there is no mention of the disc size and there is also reference to the 110 TSI.
How can you be certain what disc size these are for.
Also the 2785.2 part of the number is different from previously stated 2617.2 ?????

Are these the right pads?

Front 13.0460 -2785.2 W 160 x 64.5 x 20.4 thick
Rear 13.0470-4294.2 W 123 x 61.2 X 16.4 thick

[Diesel_vert]

OK I've managed to find these Ate pads at a much more reasonable price.
In the description there is no mention of the disc size and there is also reference to the 110 TSI.
How can you be certain what disc size these are for.
Also the 2785.2 part of the number is different from previously stated 2617.2 ?????

Are these the right pads?

Front 13.0460 -2785.2 L 175 x
Rear 13.0470-4294.2 L 123 x 56.2 x 61.2

The ATE parts catalogue can be accessed via their main website at ATE - Brakethrough Technology.

In their brake pad diagrams, blue denotes standard pads and teal denotes ceramic pads.

For convenience, listed below are the relevant part numbers:

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Front: 110TSI (7-seater), 132TSI, 162TSI

ATE Standard 13.0460-2617.2 (175 mm) [latest part]
ATE Standard 13.0460-2764.2 (175 mm) [superseded part]
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2617.2 (175 mm) [latest part]
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2764.2 (175 mm) [superseded part]

To fit models with the following PR numbers:
1LA / 1LB = 340 mm
1LW / 1LX = 314 mm

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Front: 110TSI (5-seater)

ATE Standard 13.0460-2785.2 (160 mm)
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-2785.2 (160 mm)

To fit models with the following PR numbers:
1ZA / 1ZD = 312 mm

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Rear: 110TSI (5-seater), 110TSI (7-seater), 132TSI, 162TSI

ATE Standard 13.0460-7294.2 (123 mm)
ATE Ceramic 13.0470-7294.2 (123 mm)

To fit models with the following PR numbers:
1KZ = 310 mm
1KU = 300 mm

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[Diesel_vert]

Browsing through the older ATE catalogues in PDF format, it would appear that 13.0470-2617.2 is a newer part number that was designed to replace 13.0470-2764.2 for some models.

For example, models that used to specify 13.0470-2764.2, such as the Audi S3, Skoda Superb, VW Golf GTI/R, Passat/CC and Tiguan, now specify 13.0470-2617.2, but the online catalogue does not tell you this.

(As an aside, some models still specify 13.0470-2764.2 rather than 13.0470-2617.2, so it is not an across the board replacement).

I found two Australian online stores which sell the superseded part (LD2764 = 13.0470-2764.2)
Eurobahn Auto Parts
Harding Performance

I also noticed the superseded part is nearly 70% cheaper than the updated part when comparing prices from an online store based in Europe.

So if you want ATE Ceramic pads at a reasonable price, I would consider purchasing the superseded part (13.0470-2764.2) because I find it difficult to justify spending $400+ for the latest part (13.0470-2617.2).

[GRD]

OK I've found the 13.0470-2617.2 pad.
This is what it looks like. Unfortunately the do not show an actual photo.

The second group of numbers in the picture reads 0460.They have used the same picture for the ceramic and non ceramic pad. 0470 = ceramic 0460 = non ceramic.

The length of this pad is 175 whereas the length of first pad I posted is 160.
While both pads are obviously quite different the web site lists both as suitable for the second generation Tiguan 162 TSI.
Makes things a bit confusing.

[cameleon72]

Thank you very much for links and detailed explanation. However price is way to much for just the pads even if they are Ceramic. I think I will need to continue cleaning my wheels

[Diesel_vert]

The purchase price of ATE Ceramic brake pads are certainly higher when compared to standard Euro-spec brake pads.

However, they enable lower wear rates on consumable items, such as the brake disc, as well as the brake pad itself. This means less frequent pad and disc replacements, which leads to lower maintenance costs, and when combined with the other benefit of reduced brake dust, I think there is good inherent value in this product.

As for whether that inherent value is enough to overcome its purchase price, I leave that judgement to each individual.